Please excuse me if your troubleshooting has gone beyond what I'm about to suggest. I'm not familiar with the specific circuit, and I haven't followed all of the previous discussions, but I've done a lot of troubleshooting on problems similar to this one. You may be on the right track looking for a "sneak circuit" that's keeping a voltage differential across the relay coil. Self-latching relay circuits are designed to do what your relay is doing inadvertently. You push a momentary-contact Start button, and the item keeps running until you push the Stop button and break the coil circuit. I think you've already determined this, but make sure you know if the coil is normally grounded on one side and voltage is applied to actuate it, or normally powered on one side and the other side is grounded to actuate it. You have to know whether you're looking for power where it shouldn't be or a ground where it shouldn't be. Read the voltage across the coil, and from each side of the coil to a good ground: - Before the relay is latched. - While the relay is supposed to be latched. - When the relay should be unlatching. You may find that the voltage differential necessary to keep the relay latched is always present, but that it is not high enough to actually pull the relay in to the latched position. It doesn't take much to hold it in the latched position once it gets there. At least you will have an indication of whether you have a full/partial ground, minor leakage through a bad diode, partial voltage because the sneak-circuit goes through another component, full voltage through a shorted circuit, etc. Feel free to email me privately. Gary www.IN2TIME.com