Bob and List, Note: I'm not trying to sell (or un-sell) anything, and I don't think that Bob was trying to sell anything either. I'm just trying to clear up some potential confusion. IMHO, most of Bob's comments are valid. However, he seems to be commenting on running the fans continuously while using the stock circuit design (which could definitely be a bad thing). This should not be confused with the recent postings about a specific design change (or set of changes) that eliminates the blue fan-fail relay, splits the fan current between two relays, upgrades the circuit breaker, makes the fans run continuously only when an AC mode is selected, etc., etc.. Several people have been successfully running their cars for years with the proposed design changes. As to the difference between "continuous running current" and "duty cycle current spikes every ten seconds", it would take a lot more than opinions to determine which is worse. The Fanzilla design reduces the severity of the spikes. Continuous-run designs reduce the frequency (to one). I'm in complete agreement that the basic system should be functioning properly BEFORE any improvements are even considered. OBTW, If it was true that "The Lotus Engineers knew EXACTLY what they were doing" and "If your cooling system is up to snuff it will work just fine", then there would be no market for Triple-core non-plastic radiators, Fanzillas, or other related "design improvements". I doubt that fan-fail failures and circuit breaker triping were part of their "duty cycle" equations :-) As is the case with most designs, there are many ways to obtain the desired results. With constraints on time and budget, the "first acceptible design" is often implemented - and usually works - at least for a while. With additional design time, more efficient and effective designs can be developed. Bob has proven this with his excellent line of plug-and-play products. Others have also proven this with their innovative and cost-effective do-it-yourself designs. Some people continue to drive with the original designs - with varying degrees of success. Some have more money than time or experience, and choose plug-and-play options. I used to do electrical/electronic design, installation, and test, and now I'm a computer-jockey, so I love to do the electrical work on my car myself - when I have the time :-) Gary www.IN2TIME.com