I can't believe that there is not a suitable alternative to the rivnuts, 20 years later. We made stealth bombers in less than 100 years of flying, why can't get a rivnut that doesn't swivel like my arm-chair? (or do I have to wait another 80 years). I replaced one of my rivnuts with a well-nut. it's made of a rubber sleeve and a nut; and the sleeve expands to stay in the hole one you start screwing in the screw. It seems to be working alright so far.... Jim 1537 lic# 3ROTOR ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.