Travis- it's really strange that you are having the same problem and same results as me. When I pulled the thermo-time wire it also started after an initial problem. I, too, have not had a problem since that episode. I am curious-- what is your mileage typically like? Mine is at about 15 mpg. I am just wondering if this valve is defective and wastes gas all the time. I wonder what other similarities there are that cause this problem at the same time. (my car is #4687, and it has 26,100 miles). I've tried driving "softer" but it hasn't increased, so I don't think it is low because of my lead foot. By the end of the week I'll know if changing plugs helped that any, but I doubt it. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Goodwin [mailto:tgoodwin@xxxx] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:39 AM To: 'dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: RE: [DML] strange start problems << I have a similar issue Good news. I got the car started! I pulled the wire to the thermo-time switch and she huffed and puffed and turned over. It's initial hesitation I blame on a build-up of fuel from the prior crankings. Now, it only takes about one turn of the starter solenoid to get it cranked. Now to the weird part. Once I unplugged the thermo-time switch, it cranks fine. If I plug it back in, it also cranks fine. When the engine is cold there is some sputtering if I hammer down on the gas, but slow pressure rises the RPMs nicely. Could it be that the thermo-time switch was stuck closed and unplugging it caused it to be released, leaving it stuck open all the time? Early on, I was checking the spark at the plug and I couldn't get one. Will the spark jump out past the rubber sheath when grounded to the engine? ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:28:54 -0000 From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty@xxxx> Subject: Re: strange start problems << I have a similar issue Pull a spark plug wire and see if you are getting a nice blue spark. In the event you aren't two common things to check are the connections on the ballast resistors, (those white things on the firewall on the left side) and the pick-up coil in the distributer. If you have a nice spark then the problem is fuel related but since you can smell fuel I think the engine is getting fuel it just isn't "lighting it off". David Teitelbaum vin 10757 To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderator@xxxx To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/