I have used similar things in the past usually in odd locations like stationary powerplants and boats. I dislike the idea of putting them into cars as they usually tend to stick down a little and my fear is they would snag something on the road and get ripped off with the consequences being a total loss of oil and the possible destruction of the motor for a little convenience. You have to lift the car to catch the oil anyway and it's easier to change the filter from underneath (I never tried from above so I don't know if it is even possible). If you drive your car like most owners you will only change the oil once a year at most anyway and it gives you a chance to look around underneath which is a good thing. I wonder if that drain is available in metric anyway. If getting oil on your hands is the problem get a box of latex or nitrile gloves. (Nitrile is alot more durable and avoids the possibility of latex reactions even though they are more expensive.) Another tip is never overfill the engine with oil. It can cause leaks and foaming. Check the level when cold, before you use the car in the morning, it should be between the two cuts in the side of the dipstick on level ground. David Teitelbaum vin 10757 -- In dmcnews@xxxx, "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas@xxxx> wrote: > --- In dmcnews@xxxx, Watkins Family <watbmv@xxxx> wrote: > > I know we are on a "Fram sucks" thread but, has anyone seen > the new > > "SURE DRAIN" product from FRAM? > <SNIP> > > Ironicly enough, I myself have already installed one of these. But > not on the DeLorean though. I've got one on my pickup truck. It > does install easy. How well it drains oil, I won't know for about > 2600 more miles though! After installing it, I am a bit concerned > that it won't drain all of the oil out. It does after all have a bit