[Moderator Note: As a service to the vast majority of our readers who subscribe to discuss DeLorean automobiles but nor legal concepts, I will not accept further posts on this subject. If someone would like to continue this discussion on a Legal Issues BBS send a message with its URL and I will approve that. Even if every word of this post is wrong you must find another forum for your rebuttals. - Mike Substelny] I think everyone needs to chill out for a few moments and take a deep breath... and learn the difference between copyrights and trademarks. Copyrights are given for expressions of ideas in a medium (like stories, songs, art, etc). Trademarks are protected logos (actual images) and/or owned/non ordinary words - true trademarks like the word "Pepsi". Both are intellectual property, but the rules concerning each are different. DMC Houston can trademark the phrase "DELOREAN MOTOR COMPANY" and "DMC" (text, that is), but they can't be copyrighted, since they are not actual expressions of ideas - the *are* trade names used in commerce. The graphic image of "DMC" can be copyrighted and trademarked. DMC Houston can also copyright their new magazine, their website, and documentation they produce, etc, so people can't copy the intellectual content. As my last email stated, DMC Houston holds a trademark ONLY ON THE STYLIZED "DMC" logo, and only for two classes. I pretty sure DMC can't claim a copyright on the "DMC" logo or anything and everything that says "DMC", since (a) they didn't create (i.e. express) it originally, (b) I can find no official registration of a copyright for the logo, and (c) DMC Houston does not specify that the image is actually copyrighted. So, please, before everyone goes flying off the handle - get your facts straight, understand exactly what DMC Houston has rights to protect and then move forward. Lee stated: >The bottom line is that it's entirely DMC Houston's game, they can enforce or not as they choose, with >any outcome being either an out of court settlement or court finding after a trial. and >This is true of all others as well who are selling >anything that DMC Houston might decide to claim is theirs, Again, this is only true for the two classes under which they have registered the DMC logo. I don't know DMC Houston very well, and I've only met James at Cleveland, so I don't know if DMC Houston is attempting to claim rights to everything "DMC" or not, based on two trademarks. Facts, rather than hearsay, would be nice. I am not a lawyer, so if there are any lawyers that want to correct my understanding, please feel free. Having been through this for my website, this is my understanding. -Hank Eskin #1619