Darrly, This why I said we will put them thru the Baking to remove the Hydrogen. The double plating is extra for corrosion in adverse conditions. While were talking about metal stress, Have you looked at your front lower control arms for cracking and stress. You can also have a fatial situation on your hands when the front lower control arms breaks. You better check them. More are being fixed as the cars get older and driven more. We do have the new ones but they arn't around $65.00. John Hervey www.specialTauto.com In a message dated 11/17/01 9:50:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, darryl@xxxx writes: << And John, a double or triple plated 12.9 bolt is still a 12.9 bolt. Probably even less due to hydrogen embrittlement after plating >>