In a message dated 11/4/01 1:46:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, theshovel1224@xxxx writes: << Not neccessarily. In early cars, the brake lights were only hot when the key was turned to acc or run. >> How early is early? My car is vin #1852 june 81 build and the brake lights have a constant power going to them. I guess another "oddity" to add to the rest of them, eh? Later, Nick Pitello 1852 <A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>