Where did you see details on the V-12 Northstar? If you put 12 smaller pistons in the same area as 8 larger pistons, the overall displacement will be lower.. While the V-12 may have a smoother ride, I don't see how it would be a performance improvement. Id venture to guess this is just a marketing tool for GM. -----Original Message----- From: Dick Ryan [mailto:deloreanbiker@xxxx] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:56 AM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [DML] Misc <SNIP> Also, I read where GM has shown the "next" Northstar engine. It is a V-12 but takes up NO MORE space than the V-8 (a requirement placed upon the engineers by the brass). Awesome numbers. I'm not suggesting it, but I wonder who will be the first to contemplate putting that mother in a D!