Well.... as far as I know BIll Collins is still alive, or at least he was a year or so ago. A fellow DML member was meeting with him from time to time. William Haddad was also alive as of summer 1999.... Haddad was a *very* close friend of the Kennedy family, and I remember seeing him on CNN when JFK jr. passed away in his accident. Sadly though Thomas Kimmerly passed away a few years ago in Detroit. I actually had a chance to pay my respects. Justin 5172