John, Yep, I tried (considered) a ratcheting boxed end wrench, but the curve of the door skin stops a flat wrench like that from having any room to work. Perhaps a ratcheting boxed end wrench with a built-in hinge on the other axis? I've never seen anything like that, but that's what it needs. Walt Tampa, Fl ----- Original Message ----- From: <deloreanss@xxxx> > Walt, have you tried a ratcheting boxed end wrench? Those things come in > handy on just about everything.