In a message dated 7/18/01 7:56:39 AM Central Daylight Time, doc.brown@xxxx writes: << Result: The weight of the frame of my D (with Epoxy-Coating) is 96kg (+-2kg). The conversion factor between kg and lb is approx. 2.2 (see http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Metrics/factors.htm) The weight in lbs is therefore 211 lb. Martys figure of 197 lb is perhaps the frame without Epoxy Coating? Ralf. >> Ralf, Very interesting. I did basically the same as you, I've got a complete bare frame which has just finished completely being redone. This frame was chemically dipped and stripped of all the original epoxy and has now been powder coated. I guess that means the original frames have about 14 lbs of epoxy coating on them ??? We've got another frame which currently is sitting in a chemical dip tank having it's epoxy removed. I'll try and get a weight on this frame when it comes out of the tank. It should make for an interesting comparison. I guess we learn something new about these cars every day. Marty