You're right David, my Otterstat fell off today, turns out the metal clip was missing, it was held on by silicone seal. I hadn't checked it, it was ok up to now. You have to wonder how dumb mechanics are wherein they know where to go but not what to do when they get there. This was done before I got the car, my fault I hadn't checked, but to be fair there's a lot to check when you first jump in, I got most of it (I think). jtrealty@xxxx wrote: > You missed the moral of the story. If you had taken care of your car > and not let the hoses deteriorate to such an extent as they obviously > had then you wouldn't have gotten in trouble. I find that MOST > problems on the road were preventable with some normal maintainence