Mike and others, Your seats do look like they are in excellent condition, but not "like new" condition. From the factory, the seats did have a bit of a ripple effect. For comparison, check out the 2 links below. The first one is from Mike P's car, and the second one is from my former car Mike Pike: http://www.iqintermedia.com/~pikem/MVC-077F.JPG (original seats, right?) Mike Babb: http://www.babbtechnology.com/pics/3472images/inside/brake.jpg (replaced seats - about 1000 miles on them when the picture was taken) Cheers, Michael C. Babb -----Original Message----- From: Michael Pike [mailto:iqintermedia@xxxx] Unless there is something about the replaced leather seats - mine are original, and I don't have a wrinkle in them... not a blemish.... these so called new ones are always beat up looking... [snip] You can see pics of my seats at: http://www.iqintermedia.com/~pikem anyhow, I just wondered because I see lots of people claiming new seats, and they look like crap to me. Mike