I agree that the response from John was overly strong, however, even I, as wonderful as I am, sometimes say or write the wrong things, sometimes it's a mood thing. One of the first things I noticed on the list was that very often when someone came up with something he might think to be helpful or useful, others would jump all over him. I had heard from the previous owners of my car that there were so many "flame-throwers" they quit monitoring the list. Moderators do a good job, I've been moderated out 4 times in 5 weeks, that's pretty good (or is this #5) so they are paying pretty good attention but some of the lines are not that distinct. Should John's posting have been moderated out? Hindsight says yes, hindsight is always so brilliant, what is always needed is to put hindsight first. Les