Sir, I had a plate on my front bumper, I filled the holes with drip irigation plugs. I know it sounds funny but they pop right into the holes and will stay there and best of all they really look pretty good (looks kind of factory) jim vin4149 "ELMO" DMCNRED ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail