I do agree that using IRC is the best option for a reliable chat site that most people can access. The mirc client will work well for Windows folks. ircII (or others) are fine for UNIX. I suppose that the channel is #delorean on EFNET. This maybe old news and I'm not sure if the owners of these cars are on the list (I'm just assuming they're VINs are taped on the bumpers and that they're in that order) but I found this picture and someone could find it 'fun': http://www.deloreanmovie.com/images/delorean5.jpg I saw a prototype sketch of the 2nd DMC2, but I was wondering if anyone has seen anything other than the blackish italian looking sportscar. I'd like to see some pictures. The videos on the deloreantime page say that the v12 is 85% complete. He states the 2nd car has gullwings, a composite frame .. but SS panels? Finally, does anyone have a pointer to photos of Harry Ward's car? I've not seen that issue of Delorean World and all I've seen is the photo that is on the cover. Stephen vin #2533 _____________________________________________________________ YourName@xxxx -- it's free from <a href="http://www.delorean.com"> DeLorean Motor Company</a>!