In a message dated 10/8/00 1:01:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ultra@xxxx writes: << slowly release the parking brake so the car rolls ever so slightly. When the front wheel turns, so will the hole in the counter, so the square will eventually line up, and when they do so, push it all the way in, stop the car, and completely screw the cable into the counter. >> Great idea... but why not just jack up the front left wheel and have a helper rotate it? Sounds safer and more controlled. I'm not being a wise guy- I once ran over my own foot with a van I was operating. Don't ask how. (A hint- I didn't say "driving.") lol -Wayne vin 11174 The New DeLoreans Manuals project