Thanks for all the answers on the starter "no power" problem. Electrical problems are among the most frustrating. It did indeed turn out to be a connection problem at the underside of the relay socket. I simply undid the strip of relays and reconnected the problem spades. (DMCJoe called it correct) Thanks for all the replys. Hopefully this post will "save" somebody else when their searching the archives at 4 a.m. for the solution. :) Thanks again mike@xxxx VIN#17089