Well here's something interesting: when talking with a co-worker he said to turn the car on, disconnect one of the leads from the battery and that should be a good test if the alternator is dead. Yesterday I tried it out and the car ran fine after disconnecting the lead. Should this have me looking more towards looking for a bad ground somewhere, I have a feeling this is whats wrong, so where should i look first? By the way I have a motorola unit in the car, not the original Ducellier. And thanks everbody for all your help and input -Donald Kazmark vin3541