The frame rust is fairly consistent on how it starts and where it forms Usually the horn areas go and collapse in an extreme case The epoxy can also deceive you because on the 100 K Philly car I had we felt the car was fine except for the crumple zone We removed the old crumple zone and it was looking good but when we started to grind the rest of the frame to get to good metal and we ended up grinding back to the bolts holding on the triangle plate on the bottom. The epoxy was intact and looked perfect. The metal beneath was gone and we were taking pieces off by hand. We also found a the cars showed signs of having hydraulic fluid spilled and the owners did not wipe it off and it lifted the epoxy. Rust resulted. I only powder coat now and the crumple zones I make are all done with it. (not an intentional plug but if you replace yours you will be buying these most likely). We also like to powder coat the triangle plate as well. It makes it look a lot brighter underneath and we find that spills tend to separate the epoxy from the top side and then tend to rust the actual frame especially by the second bolt on the passenger side from the front. This has rusted in almost all of the cars I have that show any rust. I do make this point again not to sell crumple zones but to prevent you all from having to buy them. If you treat your frame now maybe you can avoid the repair. I can do the job in about 8 hours complete now (got a new welder YEA) but so many things can go wrong adding hours and hours if not days to the job so it can get to be an extremely expensive job. Most people take care of the top of their car The DeLorean needs to be taken care of from the bottom. I detail my cars and have taught new owners to treat the undercarriage as you would the top. Well I have said my piece so MERRY CHRITSMAS TO ALL OF YOU Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/