[DML] Re: SonnyV Question - James Espey.

[dmcjohn@xxxxxxxxxxx]

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Hi,

We have been patiently waiting for an explaination from James 
Espey/DMC Houston on the SonnyV issue. The query was put forward 
nearly 2 weeks ago, but so far it seems he/they are hoping this will 
just go away.
Is there ever going to be a response to this? If not, what is the 
position of the moderators? Are James or DMCHouston going to be 
allowed advertise here in future? 
I think the group deserves an explaination, or if this is all true, 
an apology. 
I for one find it very annoying that DMC Houston might be promoting 
themselves under a false alias, posing as a happy customer -it 
doesn't say much for their faith in our collective intelligence that 
they would try to do this. As a customer of theirs and a member of 
this list since around 1996, I am not happy with this situation.

Thanks,

John Dore
Ireland.

--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> [MODERATOR NOTE] - this has been held up a bit for further 
consideration and research  due to its somewhat personal and 
potentially inflammatory nature, but we've decided to proceed. 
Replies will be conservatively moderated and random conjecture 
deleted.]
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> 
> On Nov 19, there was a message posted to the DML
> signed by James Espey.
> 
> http://www.projectvixen.com/dmcnews-archive/msg10116.html
> 
> It was later pointed out to me by someone that this
> message was sent from "sonnyvr2000". For some reason,
> this message has been removed from the Yahoo archives.
> 
> Later in the day, a similar message was posted by
> James:
> 
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/message/46806
> 
> And, 3 more messages by Sonnyvr2000:
> 
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/message/46798
> 
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/message/46799
> 
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/message/46800
> 
> 
> All four of the messages sent by Sonnyvr2000 came from
> the same IP address, an address that is in common with
> posts made by James from DMCH.
> 
> No big deal, because Sonny said he was in Houston
> getting work done on his car. It is possible he was
> using a computer at DMCH to send those posts before he
> returned to his home in Springfield, MO.
> 
> Searching the DML Yahoo archives, it became obvious
> that most of the posts made by Sonnyvr2000 have been
> removed! The only record of any posts made by this
> person are in quoted responses to his posts. Why is
> this?
> 
> The only one I found was post 39097, which came from
> an IP address in Houston, TX. It also happens to be on
> the same ISP as DMCH uses (rr.com). But Sonny claims
> he lives in MO. I remember James once saying he was
> from or had family in MO.
> 
> So, I took a look at some e-mail archives of the DML
> from 6/15/2001 to 9/30/2004, and searched for all sent
> by sonnyvr2000
> 
> DATE SUBJECT IP
> 7/24/03 Re: Stainless Steel Ill 24.173.4.228
> 8/5/03 windshield antenna 24.173.4.228
> 8/13/03 Monroes and Gabriels 24.173.4.228
> 8/20/03 100404 Wheel bearings ! 24.173.4.228
> 9/4/03 Cleaner/Sealer 24.173.4.228
> 10/16/03Re: Door struts and do 24.173.4.228
> 12/1/03 Who wears XXXL? 24.173.4.228
> 1/7/04 Refurbished Fascias 200.9.59.10
> 1/12/04 Permacast wheels? 24.173.4.228
> 2/22/04 New angle drive receiv 24.242.224.139
> 3/7/04 DMCH's performance eng 24.242.228.133
> 3/8/04 DMCH's performance eng 24.173.4.228
> 3/11/04 clutch release bearing 24.173.4.228
> 3/11/04 Exhaust note of DMCH E 24.173.4.228
> 3/29/04 angle drive update 24.173.4.228
> 
> I included the subjects so you can all see the content
> of these messages in your own archives, or at
> http://www.projectvixen.com because they have been
> removed from the Yahoo archives. Please look at the
> content and evaluate for yourself.
> 
> The bulk of the mail came from 24.173.4.228, which
> also happens to be the same IP address most of James
> Espey posts come from. Do a search of the Yahoo
> archives for that address and you will see.
> 
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/messagesearch?
query=24.173.4.228
> 
> Furthermore (thanks Dave):
> 
> 24.173.4.X (24.173.0.0/16) belongs to Roadrunner
> (southeast).  Roadrunner is available in MO, but only
> in Kansas City, not Springfield.
> 
> 24.242.224.139 and 24.242.228.133 both resolve DNS to
> names with "houston.rr.com"
> 
> 200.9.59.10 (200.9.48.0/20) belongs to Instituto
> Costarricense de Electricidad y Telecom, based in San
> Jose, Costa Rica
> 
> On 1/7/04 Sonny sent an email from 200.9.59.10, on the
> same day James sent an email from 200.9.59.10 as well.
> 
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/message/38076?source=1
> 
> 
> Assuming Sonnyvr2000 is a real person, why is it that
> his posts are all missing from the official Yahoo
> archives? And he sure does spend an awful lot of time
> at DMCH, Odd for a guy who lives 700 miles away in
> Springfield, MO (?), and seems to know a lot about
> DeLoreans. Almost as much as someone who works for a
> DeLorean vendor.
> 
> But, he asked for shipping estimates to Farmington, MO
> 63640 which is over 800 miles from Humble, TX.
> 
> (look @ the quoted text at the bottom)
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/message/38079
> 
> I would conclude that SonnyV is someone at DMCH. But,
> is SonnyV a real person?
> 
> In the past 2 weeks, a few members of the DML have
> been talking about this topic off line. The purpose of
> getting others involved before "going public" was to
> verify the information to be correct, and make a fair
> decision on how to proceed.
> 
> I feel the group was unbiased, and we wrestled with
> the pros and cons on what action to take. We concluded
> that someone at DMCH was likely posing as "Sonny", and
> decided that it was wrong to condone this behavior by
> allowing it to remain hidden/be erased and that no one
> in the DeLorean community should allow such to go
> unnoticed. Ultimately, we decided to let the community
> see and think for themselves as to what, if anything,
> should be done.








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