Videobob wrote: "All I said in the beginning was that I don't want to drive the car in the rain, it doesn't perform as well as a modern car in the rain and I would just assume leave it at home to be on the safe side." VB - the D performs every bit as well as ANY modern car WITHOUT ABS in the rain. The problem lies in your driving techniques. If you have your front brakes locked up and have lost traction (regardless whether on water, ice, oil, whatever, you can spin your steering wheel lock-to-lock until Kerry gets elected, but the vehicle will continue to travel in the direction that inertia is pushing it until traction is regained. Either you momentarily let off the brake until the wheel can rotate again or dry surface is encountered or SOMETHING breaks the film surface that the tire is sliding on. At that point, the vehicle will steer to the direction that the wheel is pointing. It will. That is why, in the days before ABS, the dictum was "pump the brakes". Which is exactly what ABS does, and why with ABS the dictum is DO NOT pump the brakes - ABS is doing it for you. Mike Hirko vin 1387 "WAWAZAT" To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/