Toby, Thanks for the + 4 Bosch plugs explanation. I knew a little bit about it but not all. John Hervey -----Original Message----- From: tobyp@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tobyp@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 1:23 AM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [DML] Re: Spark plugs (was Upgrading the Air Filter) Andy - Bosch originally developed the Platinum +2 for small general aviation aircraft to increase reliability and avoid fouling. Obviously, the plugs are far more important in an airplane than a car from a safety standpoint. What they found is that the specific conditions of the ground prongs were constantly changing as combustion chamber swirl, carbon build-up, and other factors entered in. The spark would jump first to one prong, and then the other. It was unlikely that both would fail at once, leading to complete failure of the plug. Then, under the theory that "more is better", they added another pair of prongs. However, the spark only jumps to one prong on any one firing cycle. Is it dramatically better from a strict performance standpoint? Doubtful. I will admit that I am using +4's in all of my cars, and they are always clean and light tan in color when I check them. My Ford Explorer has 184K miles on it, and I have no issues with fouling at all, similar to my Dodge Intrepid with 132K miles. The DeLorean seems to like any of the Bosch Platinum's, and I have +4's in it now. I talked to a professional mechanic one time about platinum plugs, and he said that they should NEVER be used in any car. I pressed him for an explanation, and this is what he said: They are too reliable, and hardly ever need changing. This causes people to start to neglect other areas of maintenance, leading to a general deterioration of the car. His theory was that when the normal plugs burned away or fouled out, the owners would have a general tune-up done, including all of the other things that you typically do during a tune-up. In short ... platinum plugs are too good, and last too long! Personally, I do all my own maintenance, and don't fall prey to neglecting anything. Toby Peterson VIN 2248 "Winged1" DeLorean Parts Northwest, LLC www.delorean-parts.com --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Soma576@xxxx wrote: > One thing I've wondered about +4 Plugs - it seems to me that all 4 ground wires/electrodes cannot be precisely the same distance from the center electrode. Since the spark is going to jump the quickest way it can, only one ground wire will cause the spark for combustion (the closest one). How is that any better than a single-wire plug (besides being more profitable for Bosch)? To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/