To pharaphrase GMC, Not more than you need, just 'less' than your use to. Over the last couple of weeks people on the list have been stating comparisons of what DeLorean made in the 60's (muscle cars) and his own version in the early 80's. And then there were some comparisons to the 81 DMC and new cars of today. And then there were posts about how stupid it is comparing technology of different decades, and differnt restrictions and regulations of the different eras. I think though there has been an argument that has been left out of this whole mess... DeLorean efficiency. Now this is not talking gas milege, although our dmc's are pretty good on gas in comparison to other 80's cars. The efficiency I'm talking about is how much horsepower it takes to move a car at a certain speed. I dont want to get into a big argument here over this, but take a Bricklin, or a Corvette, or some other muscle car, or yes, even a current day car. Say we take a corvette, not a car person, but dont the old ones from the 70's have 350 hp, or something like that. Now what is the top speed. I'm not sure, but with that lousy 3 speed auto I'm sure it cant do much more than say 120-140, tops. It takes 350hp to make the car get up to 140mph. In my book that is a waste of horsepower, and efficiency is near 40%. Take a DeLorean with its measly 130hp. Its been doccumented at going apx 130mph, stock, not mentioning performance enhancing Island Turbo kits, and V8 Northstars and the like. The Volvo engine were talking. It might take a while, but that 130hp is capable of driving the car up to 130mph or about there, depending if your car's in tune. In my book that is nearing 1 hp per 1 mph. Or nearly 100% efficiency. Now we talk about DeLorean being a Genius sometimes, and that the DMC- 12 is an engineers car. Think about it. What more could you ask for than to make a car as efficient as possible while making it striking and beautiful on the outside. While execs of other companys thought how to make a sports car or an exotic was to throw in a huge engine, DeLorean rose above this, creating a near perfect car, not only asteticly, but mechanicaly as well. Other manufactures have done this, but only by default sticking in measly 100hp engines because they were easy and cheap to manufacture. Although John was severly limited in his engine choices at the time, I believe that this was a decision made and autherized by the factory to make an ethical car. Remember, this car was 25,000 dollars in a time when you could by a Honda for only 4,000. It would have been easy for John to stick in a big V8 powerplant. And just to show you that this isnt just a fluke and flawed reasoning, didnt the 70's prototype with a 4 cylinder engine only generate apx 120hp? Its estimated top speed was 120. Ratio of near 100% effiency. If you dont think John succeed in created an ethical "Sports" car, I dont know what would change your mind. Tom Porter Maine, USA To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/