RE: [DML] ATTN: Video Bob -- 280 Z vs DeLo

["Videobob Moseley" <videobob@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

You guys just don't get it...
What is all this fruit talk?
Apples? Oranges? Bananas?
Who cars?
What I am talking about is any of the magazine tests of the DeLorean as 
compared to
the other cars of that year.
Have you ever read any of these?
We are talking about a car that costs twice as much as a Corvette as almost
as expensive as a Prosche and some Ferrari's of the time, and it can not 
compete
with any of them in performance.

If the car was built like a Jag or a Rolls, and sold as a luxury sedan
(both of which would still beat it) then maybe when compared to a
Caddilac or a Lincoln it might be considered a luxery coupe, which I guess 
is
what it really is, it just LOOKS like a sports car therefore it is put into 
that catagory.
Just because it looks like a Lotus doesn't mean it drives like one.

Of all the things Lotus did, it would have been nice if they had also put in 
that
inline 4 turbo charged mid-engine, this would be a whole different car.
Actually, it would be an Esprit with gullwings!

Here are some quotes from some of my reference materials.

Car & Driver, December 1981
According to thier tests, the DeLorean scored the LOWEST in most all tests 
performed.
Tests included the Corvette, 280Z, Ferrari 308GTSi, Porshe 911SC.
They tested powertrain, handling, ride, comfort, convenience, sex appeal and 
fun.
The places the DeLorean did well was in comfort and sex appeal.

In all speed tests from 0-60, and 0-100 the Dellorean was the slowest in all 
tests.
It also had the lowest top speed of all the cars, and the worst braking 
ability
however it's handling and manuverabilty did pretty good over all.
The Delorean weighed about as much as all the other cars except for the 
'Vette at 3300 lbs.


The point of this conversation was not to bash the DeLorean, and not to 
prove that
people only like for the BTTF films, the point was that the reason this car 
has not been,
and never will be reproduced is because it is not a respected car when it 
comes to the world
of racing and performance.
Unlike the Shelby Cobra, the GT40, the GTO, Firebird, Mustang or any of the 
Italian cars
the Delorean's only lore is that it is Stainless Steel and has Gullwing 
doors.
The Delorean is most famous for it's legacy than it's track record.
People who know about the car only know about it because of all the Press 
John Z.
got in leaving GM, starting his own car company, loosing the company in only 
a year
and being busted for Cocaine, and then there is the BTTF movies.
The car did not leave a legacy of performance records to make it's name.
Time after time the media has shown the car to be a "lemon".
In the BTTF movies the car was depicted as sluggish and would not start for 
Marty
when he needed it.
In Monster Garage it was bashed the whole show and ultimately crushed.

The public and media opinion is that the car is a novelty and the owners are 
"dorks".
(as quoted from the Discovery Channel show, "Monster Garage")

Personally, I feel that John Z. rushed things and cut way to many corners 
and
put the wrong engine in the car.
it is a sad shame that this car wasn't built by GM under John's watch.
We would have a whole different car if that was the case.

All we can do is educate the public one person at a time.
Never forget that most of the people you meet daily are seeing the car for 
the first
time and will most likely never see another one again.
It is our responsibilty to answer questions and educate the public about the 
car
and too keep them in tip top shape.
If someone sees your car and the seats are all cracked up, the dash is 
cracked
and the carpet is dirty then the tase left in their mouths will be bitter 
and they will forever
confirm with others when the subject is brought up that the car is "junk".
We need to keep them looking and running like new.
My worst fear is to break down in public and be seen pushing it down the 
road!

Anyhoo,
if anyone wants to read some of these articles you can email me and I will 
send them to you.
Most of them are on Tamir's website.
I may add some of them to my website soon.
- Videobob

>From: "content22207" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [DML] ATTN: Video Bob -- 280 Z vs DeLo
>Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:29:15 -0000
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>Datsun 280 Z produced 145 ft lbs max torque, rev'ing to 140 max HP,
>from a normally aspirated cast iron inline 6 (carbureted until 1976).
>PRV is every bit as competitive, even in F Series trim. 0-60 times are
>virtually identical @ 10 seconds. This was the nature of DMC's
>competition at the time engine choice was made (Toyota Supra and
>Mustang numbers are similar). Remember: JZD's original intention was
>NOT to compete with Porsche and Ferrari.
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>Perhaps you're thinking of the 1979 turbocharged 280 ZX? Hardly an
>apples to apples comparison. Perhaps someone can provide Legend
>specifications for a true comparison.
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>Trans Am burned a 4 barrel 350 -- certainly not an apples to apples
>comparison. Is much larger too -- basically a muscle car versus a
>sports car.
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>PRV is a respected engine in Europe. Renault used it in the Alpine
>with great results (160 HP as I recall). Volvo bumped compression up
>to 10.5:1 in the redesigned B280, eeking out another 10 HP (imported
>by Chrysler for its Eagle). If emissions testing is not an issue,
>there is plenty you can do to your DeLorean block to add a little more
>pep.
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>Note that some people contend consumer PRV's are not really suitable
>for forced induction, however, so you may be limited there.
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>Bill Robertson
>#5939
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> >--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Videobob Moseley" <videobob@xxxx> wrote:
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> > Yes and no,
> > let's compare a 1981 Pontiac Trans-Am with a modern car...
> > let's say my same 1998 Ford Taurus Station Wagon (the same one that is
> > faster
> > than my DeLorean).
> > I can bet you that if you took that TA, a DeLorean and my Ford the
>TA would
> > win.
> > Ok, let's compare a 196? whatever GTO, Camero, Firebird, whatever.....
> > Do you want to race any of those?
> > How about a 1981 Datsun Z car?
> > Want to put your title on the line with that one?
> > ...I don't think so.
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> > 1981, 2004, whatever.... the DeLorean came in dead last on every test.
> > Research some of the old Road & Track articles and have a read.
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> > I hate to be a downer here but it is the truth.
> > The reason those old muscle cars are revered is because they were
>bad ass,
> > our car was a joke of the car industry then as is today.
> > It is a novelty, like Urckle's 3 wheeled BMW.
> > It's a lot of fun to drive around but it is no muscle car, and that
>is why
> > has not been rebuilt.
> > I stll love the car for different reasons.
> >
> > I'm done.
> > - VB
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