I agree, re key codes. I have NEVER locked my D, ALWAYS leave the key in the ignition, leave it at Super Market parking lots and malls while I shop, sometimes even leave a door open due to extreme ambient heat. NOW, if someone wants to take advantage of the situation that I am advertising and drive from say New York City or Los Angeles etc to Walla Walla, Washington State and find my car and drive it off, they are welcome to try. I DO take other precautions however...I have remote start and about 15 fail safes along with it. Nothing you could do to start the car. I is ALWAYS in my garage when not being driven...it is NEVER left outside the house on the street. The garage door would need to be forced open somehow and alarm systems would then all go off. People are very used to false alarms with horns honking intermittently, but a loud SIREN is a different story. I am sure all of this is mostly due to the fact that we live in a small town (30K pop) and not into the terrific crime rates of the big cities. I have many standing NEAR the car when I come back to it who are mainly interested in the novelty of it all rather than interested in try to steal it. I would have no hesitation at all in telling someone my "secret code" to make a key for it or how to break into it. Of course, also, it is fully insured! So have at it. As to Electronically coded keys.....my pet peeve. We bought a new Chrysler Sebring from my brothers estate recently and I had a key made without asking the cost.....I went thru the ceiling and have not come down yet. I thought they were going to cut me a spare key for six dollars, but it was $90.00 and I was told that some cost like $120 or so.....most ridiculous thing I ever heard of. I blame the dealer for not telling customers this fact before they start. It would eliminate a lot of hard feelings and a deterent for future sales or work at that dealership. Murray Vin: 05962 Lic: DMC-XII To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/