Re: [DML] Turbos - bad wrap. What's UP!!

[Louie G <louie@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I don't see a lot of substance to what you're trying to argue. Do you have a turbo DeLorean yourself? Have you worked on a lot of turbo DeLoreans? Have you tabled repairs costs and wear over the years against other naturally aspirated DeLoreans for comparison? Have you known a lot of owners personally who have turbo DeLoreans? I tend to trust Mr. Dellis who is an ENGINEER when he makes comments on the PRV and turbocharging. He probably has more knowledge of turbos and the PRV than anyone. Remember how many thousands of hours he tested the Legend engines? The Legend cars cannot be compared with any other turbo DeLoreans anyways, they're a completely different animal. The Legend PRVs were built from the bottom up with turbocharging in mind. And any car that comes stock with turbocharging is much the same way... they are fortified where needed to handle the extra stress and wear that turbocharging adds on an engine. The later turbo kits offered for the DeLorean are a bolt on solution to a far more complex problem. I've seen many used turbo kits and engine show up on ebay and other sources over the years. Why would these people get rid of the added 30-70hp (depending on single/twin configuration) if these aftermarket systems performed flawlessly on their cars?

My Grandfather has owned car dealerships for over 40 years. He will not buy any used car with a turbo because of the problems they have. This is across the board... Japanese and European cars included. The reality is turbochargers are just adding yet another precision moving part to an already overly complex engine... not to mention the heat factor turbos produce. Heat in aluminum engines in plastic cars is generally your enemy. Also keep in mind the PRV was first born in the early 70s, and was a very simple piece of machinery. Over the years crap was continually piled on the PRV... fuel injection, Lambda and other emissions equipment, and various other electronic controls. I think the last thing the PRV needs is something else it wasn't designed for. That said I've ridden in a couple of turbo DeLoreans and they do add a significant kick to the cars. I've had a chance to buy a couple of them, but decided against it. These kits don't add value to the cars for resale, they certainly aren't going to help as far as collectibility, most vendors will not work on turbo Ds anymore, and on top of that they really aren't the proper solution to turbocharging the cars. What's so great about turbos again? This is not meant to insult turbo owners. I'm playing Devil's Advocate here to a point. The hollow nature of bluemax86's argument annoyed me. I think anything to enhance the performance of the cars is great, but I'm just not entirely sold on the current (or past... the kits are based on 20+ year old technology)turbo option.

Louie Golden
VIN 5252 Charlotte, NC

--- "bluemax86" <massimot@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
OK, I normally don't get involved in discussions that don't directly
deal with fixes to the car, but I just have had enough.

What is up with people having problems with the turbos on our cars.
Everytime someone mentions "turbos" the response is - "well the turbo
is the problem", or "don't put a turbo on the Delorean it can't handle
it get a stage II or III engine", or "the motor will be shot real
quick if you isntall a trubo". Even Mr. Dellis (I think that's how you
spell it), bless his soul, mentioned in is speach that "you can't just
strap a turbo on the Delorean".

Guys (girls), don't you know that there are plenty of turbo Deloreans
out there running just fine with no problems at all, they get driven
often, in some cases the engines have over 100,000 miles on them and
they are still going.

Granted they may be a little more complex than the standard engine but
it's not rocket science. So please, stop giving the "turbos" a bum
wrap, they are not bad for our cars and don't cause the problems that
people say they do. They give you way more horsepower making the car a
scream to drive.

There now I have said my peace - Amen.



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