Another thing that I do when changing brakes is I drench the rotors, and calipers with Brâkleen untill ALL dirt and grime are off. Then I take 80 grit sandpaper to the discs to scuff them up, remove glaze, and help break the pads in. Then spray them down again to clean off any dust. Place some cardboard underneath the brakes while working to avoid a mess. When installing new pads, I stick the anti-squeal shims on, and slather the backs of the pads with anti-squeal grease. And then I install the pads with the anti-rattle springs. Back pads on my car I have found don't need the spring clips, or shims. But every car is different out there. -Robert vin 6585 "X" To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/