Not sure about back east where Harold lives (and California where everything seems to be deemed environmentally unsafe), but here in Texas, R12 prices have been stedily dropping back to early 1990 levels. The word that I have received from our supplier is that as all the new cars are now running R134, and so many people were frightened into, or otherwise convinced that they needed to convert to R134, demand for R12 has dropped so much that prices are now considered "normal" again. Of course, if you have a leak in your system, it is against the law to refill it with R12. However, at least here in Texas (and when I was in AZ) a properly functioning R12 system in a DeLorean will outperform a DeLorean converted to run on R134. James Harold wrote: The D does not have a sight-glass. The D has a CCOTT (cycling clutch orifice tube type) system which means that a sight glass is of no real value. Gauges are the main diagnostic tool. R-12 is not readily available to non-professionals, it is very expensive if you can still find it, can be dangerous, and it requires some special gear to handle properly. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.676 / Virus Database: 438 - Release Date: 5/3/2004 To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/