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There are 21 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. 1983 DeLorean for sale
From: NJP548@xxxxxxx
2. Re: White Letter Tires Turned Around
From: "content22207" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Accuracy of charging meter
From: "Payne" <bpayne@xxxxxxxxxx>
4. RE: DeLorean starts, but then stalls
From: "John Hervey" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. windshieldwiper irony
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder@xxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: Nitto Tires NT-555R
From: "B Benson" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: RE: Jerky transmission (?) problem
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount@xxxxxxxx>
8. Re: Re: Engine Mods
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount@xxxxxxxx>
9. Re: windshieldwiper irony
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
10. Re: Accuracy of charging meter
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: Re: Engine Mods
From: "B Benson" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
12. Re: windshieldwiper irony
From: Christian Williams <delorean@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
13. South Eastern DeLorean wanted
From: Louie Golden <louie@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
14. BAE turbo insturctions
From: AJL521@xxxxxxx
15. kicked in the you-know-where
From: KiwiDean@xxxxxxx
16. Re: Re: Engine Mods
From: Don Ekhoff <ekhoff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
17. instrument panel lights
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder@xxxxxxxxx>
18. Re: windshieldwiper irony
From: "ksgrimsr" <knut.s.grimsrud@xxxxxxxxx>
19. Re: Re: Engine Mods
From: Bob Brandys <BobB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
20. Re: South Eastern DeLorean wanted
From: kKoncelik@xxxxxxx
21. No Start
From: John Podlewski <john_podlewski@xxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:32:32 EDT
From: NJP548@xxxxxxx
Subject: 1983 DeLorean for sale
Hey List,
Just wanted the DML to know that I am considering selling my DeLorean
so I can buy a different kind of car. So if anyone is interested please let
me know. I've had this one almost 2 years and its in great shape. I've been
driving it every day as my daily driver and haven't had any problems with it at
all. I even drove it down to Memphis for the 2002 Car show and drove
perfectly there and back. Has been maintained by PJ Grady for me ever since I've
owned it. I'm the third owner of the car and this car has been serviced at PJ
Grady's since it was new. Please e-mail me privately to know more about it.
Its a 5 speed grey interior with almost 40,000 miles.
Later,
Nick Pitello
15914
<A HREF="" href="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 03:47:37 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: White Letter Tires Turned Around
No, white letters (and white walls for that matter) are a layer of
white rubber. Final outer layer of black covers everything except what
is supposed to be white.
Ever notice how old white walls look frayed? Is outer layer coming
off, exposing more of white layer.
Raised letters on inside (outside after turned around) are especially
vulnerable to having outer layer rubbed off. They do stick out...
That's why black letter always preferable to white letter turned around.
Bill Robertson
#5939
>--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Scott Tester <scott@xxxx> wrote:
> Bill, what do you mean by curb chips/rubs? How would turning the
tires around effect anything? I've heard that the white lettering can
show through after a while, like Goodyear painted over one side or
something.
>
> Scott Tester scott(at)delorean(dot)com
>
>
>
> --- "content22207" <brobertson@xxxx> wrote:
> Goodyear is phasing out Eagle GT II series. Replacement is Eagle
> H-something (HR?). I think Sears is already retailing it. May be just
> as well -- 15" tires weren't available in GT II black letter,
> requiring those of us running them to turn around (liable to curb
> chips/rubs).
>
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:33:11 -0700
From: "Payne" <bpayne@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Accuracy of charging meter
Just because I'm really curious, how accurate is the charging meter in the
DeLorean? Does it read high or low?
payne
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:30:41 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: DeLorean starts, but then stalls
Greg, Did you get the problem solved.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: anaheim_21 [mailto:anaheim_21@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:03 AM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [DML] DeLorean starts, but then stalls
Hi:
I installed John Hervey's fuel pump baffle kit and pump into my car
and added gas to the tank.
I started the car and the engine cranks and fires up, then stalls out
immediately. I am trying to figure out what could be causing this
and what I should be doing next?
Thanks!
Greg
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:05:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: windshieldwiper irony
hello all,
I very rarely get caught out with the car in the
rain.i have noticed several times that in the rain the
wipers stop working, or fail to turn on. this problem
will clear up a few hours after the rain stops at
which point they will operate normally.
jordan 11613
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:08:32 -0500
From: "B Benson" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Nitto Tires NT-555R
The 205/55/14 tires up front will cause the speedometer to read 1.47% fast,
not really much of a problem. The 275/50/15's on the rear are a close match
diameter wise but are about 1 1/2" wider. IMHO a better size might be
245/50/15's which are close width wise, less than 1/2" wider, but about
5.6% smaller in diameter. It's not enough to look much different but it'll
lower the final drive ratio that 5.6% which is a bit of improvement over the
tall gearing in the DeLorean.
Bruce Benson
> In the NT-555R extreme drag tire they have the P275/50R15 101V for the
back and the 205/55R14 85V for the front. >These tire sizes are the closest
they have to our original sizes. They are about one inch larger in diameter,
so the car will set >about 0.5 inches higher; however, they should still
fit. I am going to ask my tire company their opinion, but I do respect and
>can sift through the emails from this list. These tires are really soft and
only last about 10,000 miles, so they may not be for >everyone, but I do not
have a problem with replacing my tires on my Delorean every year if they
ride and handle really good.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:11:48 -0400
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: RE: Jerky transmission (?) problem
You didn't read the last post about gas level carefully. First fill the
tank. If the problem goes away, you have a split fuel pickup hose. When
the gas level gets low enough, the split hose starts sucking air, killing
your engine. When you accelerate, you reach this "bad" gas level earlier
becuase the gas is sloshing around. At a standstill, you will start to
sputter as soon as your gas level goes down a little bit more and starts
sucking air 100% of the time
Jim1537
On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:58:02 -0400 "Jonathan Lazar" <jxace@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
writes:
> There is about half a tank in the car. I don't think this is a fuel
> problem because when this jerkiness happened, the car was in gear.
> When the car was in neutral, it would rev up with no problems (all
> the way to 5500 rpms).
>
> Thanks!
> Jonathan Lazar
> VIN# 4494
>
>
> >What is the fuel level in your tank.
> >
> >If the level is low and the baffle is not properly in place around
> the fuel
> >pick up the gas can move away from the pickup.
> >
> >Another possibility is that your fuel suction hose has a tear in it
> and the
> >tear is exposed when you accelerate.
> >
> >I am sure that there are several more things to check but I would
> start with
> >these.
> >
> >Scott Mueller
> >002981
> >RNDOLA
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jonathan Lazar [mailto:jxace@a...]
> >Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 2:10 PM
> >To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [DML] Jerky transmission (?) problem
> >
> >I had the strangest occurrence with my DeLorean today. I was
> accelerating
> >normally from a stop in 1st gear and everything was fine until
> about 3,000
> >rpms and up. The car started to jerk violently until I shifted into
> 2nd.
> >But, when accelerating in 2nd gear the same thing started to happen
> until I
> >shifted into 3rd gear. The problem didn't occur in 3rd gear. The
> car
> >seemed to shift normally through all the gears and there weren't
> any funny
> >smells or sounds. Keep in mind this car is driven everyday and the
> clutch
> >was replaced about 6000 miles ago.
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:44:07 -0400
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Engine Mods
Since when is windshield washer fluid "fuel"???
...
> I was talking to an authorized Bosch mechanic with regard to my
> solution to
> the 'lean at boost' problem. What I do is inject windshield washer
> fluid in
> liberal amounts onto the turbo impeller whenever I am in positive
> boost. It
> cools the intake tract as well as adding fuel to the fire. As well
> as it
> works it would be nice to not need it.
>
....
>
> Thanks,
> Don Ekhoff
> #6543
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:27:59 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: windshieldwiper irony
Sounds about right for a British car.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757
--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder@xxxx> wrote:
> hello all,
>
>
> I very rarely get caught out with the car in the
> rain.i have noticed several times that in the rain the
> wipers stop working, or fail to turn on. this problem
> will clear up a few hours after the rain stops at
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:32:51 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Accuracy of charging meter
The voltmeter is pretty accurate when it is working right. If it is
always on the low side check it with an accurate voltmeter. It could
be that your alternator and-or battery need to be replaced or that you
need to clean up the connections in the binnacle and the main
grounding point inside by the front left tire. If it reads too high
that would indicate a bad voltage regulater inside the alternator.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757
--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Payne" <bpayne@xxxx> wrote:
> Just because I'm really curious, how accurate is the charging meter
in the
> DeLorean? Does it read high or low?
>
> payne
>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:56:30 -0500
From: "B Benson" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Engine Mods
Water injection brings down combustion temperatures to reduce pre-ignition.
Alcohol mixed with the water in amounts up to about 15% gives a bit of added
power but anything beyond that adds nothing. I'd guess the alcohol in the
washer fluid is why he suggested that.
Bruce Benson
> Since when is windshield washer fluid "fuel"???
>
> ...
> > I was talking to an authorized Bosch mechanic with regard to my
> > solution to
> > the 'lean at boost' problem. What I do is inject windshield washer
> > fluid in
> > liberal amounts onto the turbo impeller whenever I am in positive
> > boost. It
> > cools the intake tract as well as adding fuel to the fire. As well
> > as it
> > works it would be nice to not need it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Don Ekhoff
> > #6543
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:05:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christian Williams <delorean@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: windshieldwiper irony
As far as the irony, I can't really comment. But a while ago I had real
sketchy wipers. I searched the archives and the only thing that I could
find was a bad wiper motor. So I bought one from Houston but couldn't for
the life of me figure out how to get it in - or actually how to get the
old one out.
Someone finally tipped me off to the wiper electrical connection in the
driver's footwell. I couldn't find that connection either. Finally one
day, while I was looking for something else, I noticed a loose electrical
connection. I reinforced the connection and since then my wipers have been
perfect.
So start hunting for that connection. It's about 4 or 5 wires that
junction at a plastic clip.
-Christian
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, jordan rubin wrote:
> hello all,
>
>
> I very rarely get caught out with the car in the
> rain.i have noticed several times that in the rain the
> wipers stop working, or fail to turn on. this problem
> will clear up a few hours after the rain stops at
> which point they will operate normally.
>
> jordan 11613
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:15:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: South Eastern DeLorean wanted
I'm just probing the list to see if anyone's got a really nice D for sale, or knows of one. I'm in NC... so I wouldn't want to travel outside of the South East really to buy. I also need a car that can be bought for under $20k. Mileage, year, interior color, and transmissions really aren't deciding factors, all I'm interested in is a cosmetically clean car that is a good driver. Anyone who thinks they've got a car for me, email me off list at Louie(AT)DeLorean.com. I've already found a D that I really like, I just feel like I should shop around some... after all this is my SECOND time around buying a DeLo :-). Thanks!!
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:40:49 EDT
From: AJL521@xxxxxxx
Subject: BAE turbo insturctions
Hello,
Does anyone have a copy of the instalation instructions for the BAE turbo
kit, I'm in the process of installing a DMC engine with a BAE kit on it, and I
would like to have the instructions just for peace of mind.
Thanks
Andrew
4194
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 15:56:13 -0400
From: KiwiDean@xxxxxxx
Subject: kicked in the you-know-where
Aaarrgghh! I had the opportunity to acquire a lovingly kept 1983 Delorean. My bank gave me a $15,000 line of credit to buy it, and the test-drive and vechicle inspection was oh-so-sweet. But the car I am currently driving is a leased vehicle, and when I tried to terminate the lease (as I would not be able to maintain two cars andthat I was depending on the money saved from the lease to pay back the line of credit), I was told that it would cost me $8,000 to do so. Talk about a kick-in-the-pants!
Dean Thomas
(17 Years of Wanting and Waiting)
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:23:23 -0700
From: Don Ekhoff <ekhoff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Engine Mods
Jim,
In Idaho we have two formulatons readily available. Mostly water and
mostly alcohol. I don't remember the exact ratios off hand as I am in
Calif. right now, but the higher alcohol offering (more expensive and
rated for lower temperature resistance to freezing) provides both
evaporative cooling and hydrocarbons to add to the fuel load. It really
works well. In Florida I would doubt the higher alcohol formulation is
available as you don't need protection down to -40 degrees F. If I
inject water only I get the dreaded 'lean on full boost' problem. With
water only I stop firing at about 4# boost. It just goes "flat". In
Calif. I have to buy Alcohol at Ace Hardware and spike the brew.
I monitor the intake manifold actual temperature and the harder I run
the car the cooler it gets. Cooler means denser charge. It really cuts
down on detonation as the higher octane rating of the alcohol combined
with the water (steam engine effect?) and the evaporative cooling of the
induction charge allows for higher boost with safety. Now if only I had
ported heads and free flow manifolds! Probably will never catch a 'three
rotor' but still fun to drive.
Don E
(Two turbo DeLoreans plumbed this way)
Jim Strickland wrote:
>Since when is windshield washer fluid "fuel"???
>
>...
>
>
>>I was talking to an authorized Bosch mechanic with regard to my
>>solution to
>>the 'lean at boost' problem. What I do is inject windshield washer
>>fluid in
>>liberal amounts onto the turbo impeller whenever I am in positive
>>boost. It
>>cools the intake tract as well as adding fuel to the fire. As well
>>as it
>>works it would be nice to not need it.
>>
>>
>>
>....
>
>
>>Thanks,
>>Don Ekhoff
>>#6543
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:51:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: instrument panel lights
hello all,
for the lights behind the instrument panel, and the
green sockets and the black ones somewhat different?
that being said, my left blinker is black, the right
is green.
If there is a difference, can anyone tell me which
ones should be green and which black.
thanx
jordan 11613
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 21:04:58 -0000
From: "ksgrimsr" <knut.s.grimsrud@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: windshieldwiper irony
I had wiper troubles a little while back. In Oregon, a wiper failure
pretty much renders a car undriveable, so for me this was a priority
item.
In my particular case the problem was the wiper relay. It is not
very clear from the service manuals where the wiper relay is
actually located, but getting to it is pretty straightforward.
Getting at the wiper module and also gives you access to all the
correct electrical junctions to determine whether the right signals
are coming from the steering column wiper switch and whether the
right signals are being sent to the wiper motors, so you can debug
the problem.
The wiper relay is mounted on a little circuitboard along with the
buzzer box. The circuitboard is clipped in place to the steering
column bracket and is actually above the steering column. I think I
wrote a little procedure on this a while back, but it goes something
like this:
1) Remove the air duct hose that leads to the driver's door vent.
You have to remove the plastic door vent trim first and then the
hose can be removed.
2) Remove the plastic air duct feeding the air duct hose you just
removed.
3) Laying on your back in the footwell, pull the circuitboard
holding the relay and buzzer box free of its mount. It it just
clipped in place and will pull free.
Knut
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<snip>
> ... I have noticed several times that in the rain the
> wipers stop working, or fail to turn on.
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:46:36 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Engine Mods
Windshield washer fluid injection was used on the turbocharged version
of the oids 215 aluminum V8 which is the forunner of the Rover V8. It
was one of the first US engines to achieve 1 HP per cubic inch. It was
a stock option from the factory.
These cars are still around and occasionally come up for sale, They
were a blast to drive.
BOB
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:27:27 EDT
From: kKoncelik@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: South Eastern DeLorean wanted
In a message dated 10/3/2003 1:01:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
louie@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
I'm just probing the list to see if anyone's got a really nice D for sale, or
knows of one. I'm in NC... so I wouldn't want to travel outside of the South
East really to buy. I also need a car that can be bought for under $20k.
Depending on what you consider really nice
I have a concours delorean with 120 miles on it
its really nice but its $26K right now
Getting "really" nice for under $20K is harder and harder to do
and that is good for us with cars.
Ken
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:58:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Podlewski <john_podlewski@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: No Start
Help! put intake manifold back on, all vacuum hoses in correct order. But does not start pretty sure all fuel lines are on right. Just which one is the return line and which one is the feed line (large hoses) that is the only thing i have a ????. Other than that it just cranks. The car ran before, at least it idled anyway. What could be causing this, it must be something I did or did not do? By the way I checked the inertia switch and it does pump fuel to the F.D also the fuse is good.
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