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1. Re: Fire in the engineroom or- 20 knots and no smoke
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx>
2. Delorean for Sale UK Ebay
From: <condoluci@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: Original Collins Prototype Found
From: kKoncelik@xxxxxxx
4. Re: Delorean
From: beatlesra1@xxxxxxx
5. DeLorean Car Show Magazine
From: kKoncelik@xxxxxxx
6. DeLorean/LMC Snow Groomers
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx>
7. Re: Fire in the engineroom or- 20 knots and no smoke
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302@xxxxxxx>
8. Re: Delorean
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft@xxxxxxx>
9. Re: Door Lock Problem
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft@xxxxxxx>
10. Re: Fire in the engineroom or- 20 knots and no smoke
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft@xxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 18:00:03 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fire in the engineroom or- 20 knots and no smoke
--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Richard Acuti <racuti1@xxxx> wrote:
> During my DeLorean educational process I have noticed an alarming
number of pictures of torched D's on various websites on the Internet.
>
> I'm so creeped out by this, that I've mounted an extinguisher
behind my seat. What was the most common cause of engine fires? Of
Delorean fires in general?
<SNIP>
Quick Answer: Problem is with the repairs methods used, and not the
fuel system itself.
Explanation: The high pressure fuel lines connect to other components
with banjo fittings, and hollow bolts. Then to seal these
connections, they utilize copper washers. When the hollow bolts are
tighened down, the will squeeze the copper washers against both the
banjo fittings, and whatever component they are connected to. This
allows the washers to mold themselves around the components, and
create a flush seal as they are crushed. Just like rubber, EXCEPT for
one thing. The washers will NOT spring back into place. Therefore,
they must be replaced when reassembling the system. If they are
reused, they will not be able to seal properly, and will leak gas out
to cause a fire.
So, whenever you work on the fuel system, and it involves anything
where you have to remove a bolt, then you'll need to replace the
copper washers with brand new ones. Whats interesting about this is
that Pep-Boys, nor any other auto supply store that I've been to
carry the washers. Niether do BOSCH suppliers, however, they do sell
aluminium washers that fit and function just fine. I've used them on
my car with no problem at all. What the difference is (besides the
price to make them, I'm sure), I've no idea.
-Robert
vin 6585 "X"
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:06:21 +0100
From: <condoluci@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Delorean for Sale UK Ebay
Hi,
Just thought I'd let you all know that my Delorean is up for Sale at the
following:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2920278621
You may want to add another to your collection?
Barry
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:48:44 EST
From: kKoncelik@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Original Collins Prototype Found
If you want more information on this car VIN #20 we have an article on it in
the next issue of DeLorean Car Show Magazine.
go to deloreancarshow.com and click on the magazine for a subscription
Ken
DeLorean Car Show Inc.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:06:40 EST
From: beatlesra1@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Delorean
Micheal,
My mine did the same thing as yours, the problem was that the fuel pickup
hose had a split in it so when the tank got half full the car would sputter
badly, this is an easy fix.
Chuck
Vin #6125
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:09:43 EST
From: kKoncelik@xxxxxxx
Subject: DeLorean Car Show Magazine
We have the second issue ready for print and binding and will probably do
that early next week.
It is our plans to have this issue out in about 2 weeks. We will be getting
to a more normal 6 months between issues from this point on.
Articles that we have in the second issue include but are not limited to
1. Dinner with John DeLorean
(Some of the highlights of my dinner with John including pictures)
2. Information on VIN #20 preproduction car.
(This is the car that is being discussed on the DML)
3. Dave Tietlebaum (hope I spelled it right) tuning up the PVR
(This is an excellent article)
4. D-Rex at the Monster truck show
(Awesome, what more can I say)
5. Curtis and his Car (painting it red (w pictures)
(and no rain in sight)
and 10 more articles for your enjoyment.
The magazine is full color and can be ordered by going to the web page at
Deloreancarshow.com
Thanks again for your support
This is your magazine
If you want to have an article in the magazine please submit it to us.
Thanks
Ken
DeLorean Car Show Inc.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 20:49:26 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DeLorean/LMC Snow Groomers
Well don't ever let it be said again that DeLorean products don't
perform, nor handle well in the snow! :D
This is indeed a VERY interesting link. And even so, these little
snow groomers have quite a bit in common with thier Stainlesss
cousins from Belfast. After a little bit of research, LMC is indeed
out of business (filed for bankruptcy in 2000). Although coincidence
enough, there appears to be quite a simular support network of
messageboards for repairs, a vendor network for parts supplies, and a
new company called VMC who is trying to pick up where the former
company left off. Kinda sounds alomst like the same situation we're
in right now with our cars!
There is much more info that remains to be discovered it appears, so
if I find anything else out, I'll post it to the group. But here is
an excerpt from a webpage I found giving a quick summary of the
companies history as a whole.
-Robert
vin 6585 "X"
Recently, while researching DeLorean cars to satisfy a curiosity, I
uncovered a piece of very interesting information. The fact: DeLorean
also manufactured snow cats.
The idea of a DeLorean snow cat triggered a new curiosity. So, I set
off in my usual frenzied search for information, and what I
uncovered, is an astounding story beginning with Thiokol, and ending
somewhere between NASA, Dopplmayr, and Chapter 11.
Originally, this was supposed to be an article about the DeLorean
snow cat. One thing led to another, and before I knew it, DeLorean
wasn't really the center of the story.
Lets start with Thiokol in the present day. Thiokol currently
manufactures rocket boosters, including the boosters on NASA's space
shuttle fleet.
Prior to the 1970's, Thiokol was a leader in the manufacture of
mechanical systems. They designed and built chair lifts, and
manufactured a line of snow grooming equipment. Even today, you'll
spot the occasional Thiokol lift or Thiokol snow cat.
During the 1970's, NASA was in the research and development phase of
its reusable space vehicle program. Thiokol came up to the plate in
1974, and was awarded a contracts for solid rocket booster research,
design and testing.
Two men employed at Thiokol in 1974, were Jan Leonard and Mark
Ballantyne. Both men got their start in the lift industry by working
for the two leading lift manufacturers. One at Thiokol, and the other
at Hall Ski Lifts.
Lift manufacturing at Thiokol continued until 1976, when NASA
accepted their design for the space shuttle rocket boosters, changing
the company's fate. Deciding in the interest of focusing on rockets,
Thiokol decided to exit the ski industry. Jan Leonard and Mark
Ballantyne left the company to form their own company, CTEC.
The newly formed CTEC took 2 years to evolve, and in 1978, they
purchased Thiokol's lift designs and inventory. The first lift
manufactured under the CTEC name, was a triple chair built for Seven
Springs, PA.
Thiokol began looking for a buyer interested in purchasing their snow
cat/groomer business.
Shifting focus for a moment to DeLorean...
Practically everyone is familiar with the DeLorean car. Yes, its the
model used in the movie "Back to The Future".
The DeLorean car, a radical new sports car with gull wing doors, was
manufactured in Scottland between 1981 and 1983 by the DeLorean
Manufacturing Company (DMC), founded by General Motors veteran John
DeLorean. The manufacturing facility and DMC project was financed by
the British government starting in 1979, in the interest of creating
jobs in Ireland.
Unfortunately, only 8,583 of these cars were ever produced, and DMC
came to an abrupt end amid accusations of scandal. John DeLorean was
charged with misappropriation of public funds, and the DeLorean car,
was finished.
How does this relate to Thiokol?
John DeLorean, sometime between 1978 and 1979, picked up a personal
project for his own enjoyment. He purchased Thiokol's snow cat
manufacturing business, and renamed it Logan Manufacturing Company,
after its location of Logan, Utah. Logan was made a division of DMC
and became known as LMC.
LMC seemingly thrived under the direction of John DeLorean, but it
became rumored that funds from the British government intended for
DMC were secretly funneled to LMC. None of this was ever proven.
LMC continued to grow into the late 1980's, producing DeLorean's snow
cats.
In 1988, John DeLorean was caught in a drug raid, suspected of
cocaine trafficking. Mounting legal expenses forced him to sell the
Logan Manufacturing Company. He was later acquitted of the charges.
Several employees of LMC in 1988 stepped up to purchase the company.
The business slowly declined throughout the 1990's, ending in Chapter
11 bankruptcy sometime around 2000.
LMC snow cats are still a common sight on the slopes, although most
are aging with the grace of a lumbering monster. Next time you see
one, look at the simple LMC logo. Compare it with the DMC logo of a
DeLorean car. The two logos have a similiar style ... futuristic "D"
or "L", followed by the same styled futuristic "MC".
Final notes...
In the years following the acquisition of Thiokol's lifts, CTEC grew
steadily and merged with Garaventa AG in 1999. Forming Garaventa
CTEC, the North American division of the Garaventa Group.
In 2001, the Garaventa Group merged with Dopplmayr, another large
world-wide lift manufacturer.
So, now you know the story of Thiokol in the ski industry, and how it
ends somewhere between NASA, Dopplmayr, and Chapter 11.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 21:15:09 -0000
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fire in the engineroom or- 20 knots and no smoke
Rich,
It could have been a lot of factors,one could have been a case where
a mouse chewed on the wire,causing it to have a lot of resistance,or
it just being dry rotted,remember any wire exposed to the elements or
a high heat area,SHOULD be inspected,and or protected,as the cars are
22yrs old,AND having crappy British wiring from the early 80's,does
not help things,I would estimate upwards of 80% of fires in Deloreans
are caused by electrical problems,and having a battery sitting BELOW
the main harness/fuse box does NOT help things out(after 22yrs of
acid fumes spewing all over the main harness,you would wonder how
there were not more fires)and then to top it off a wooden cover over
that,and a plastic cover over the fuse box,causing high heat buildup.
The problem with the Delorean was that it was engineered with Minimum
Standards,instead of maximum Standards/Tolerances,witness the frame
(made out of too light of a gauge metal),the crumple area in front
that had to have a recall to reinforce,the weak area above the front
wheel wells,that will shear the complete nose off the car,in a major
accident,and that is only the structural areas,also the other under
engineered areas,are the alternator,the front suspension,clutch
line,fans,radiator,coolant tank,tail light circuit boards,fan fail
circuit,and many more I cannot think of right now.Where JZD spent
most of the money on the car itself was on the flashy items,such as
the SS and the Gullwing doors and the torsion bars,and how the
interior looked,and basically depended on Lotus engineering,to work
out the engineering,which was a conflict of interest,since they had
their own cars that they were trying to sell/engineer to the American
public/general public,it was NOT in their best interest to engineer
a "better" sports car,so hence,scrap all previous,engineering,and
engineer what we all have now sitting in our garages,complete with
all the above problems.
Just one last thought,I remember in the early eighties(1984) A friend
of mine had a Delorean,which he let his Girlfriend use,and as she was
driving on a major road,some guy,pulled up along side of her and
started screaming and honking his horn,like a psycho person trying to
get her to pull over,unknown to her,her(boyfriends) Delorean was on
FIRE,and because she was going at a good rate of speed all the smoke
was being blown BEHIND the car,so that she never even knew the car
was on fire,until that guy pulled up along side of her (kinda like in
those old western movies where the train is blowing all that black
smoke behind itself,but the conductor sees/smells none) My point here
is, NEVER let your girlfriend drive your Delorean!!
Claude
00570
--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Richard Acuti <racuti1@xxxx> wrote:
> During my DeLorean educational process I have noticed an alarming
number of pictures of torched D's on various websites on the Internet.
I'm so creeped out by this, that I've mounted an extinguisher
behind my seat. What was the most common cause of engine fires? Of
Delorean fires in general?
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 21:20:03 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Delorean
Classic symptom of a fuel pick-up hose either damaged or not
installed properly. The hose goes from the bottom of the pump to the
fuel pick-up screen in the bottom of the tank. A hole in the hose or
a loose hose will cause this. The fuel pump picks up fuel until the
fuel level goes below the pump at which time it picks up air.
John Hervey's specialTauto.com has some good info on the fuel filter
and the different types you can encounter.
Harold McElraft - 3354
--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Mike Miller" <msmiller9732@xxxx>
wrote:
> here is my problem, when my fuel is about at 1/2 a tank the cars
starts to sputter a little bit.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 21:30:07 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Door Lock Problem
The linkage needs adjustment inside the driver's door. There is a
service bulletin ST-10-8/81 that can carry you through the
procedure. It sounds like the rear lock link has loosened up on you.
PJ Grady has a publication will all of the bulletins, etc. If you do
not have one - you should.
Happy adjusting - Harold McElraft - 3354
--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, lhemb@xxxx wrote:
> I am having a door lock problem that I need some help with.
>
> Brian McCabe & Harvey (5830)
> Florida Panhandle
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 21:36:51 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fire in the engineroom or- 20 knots and no smoke
Are you describing the distributor cap itself where the coil wire
connects? If you are, I'd say you have lots of resistance in the
plug wires too. Best replace then, put in new spark plugs, dist.
cap, rotor and coil wire.
Harold McElraft - 3354
--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Richard Acuti <racuti1@xxxx> wrote:
> During my DeLorean educational process I have noticed an alarming
number of pictures of torched D's on various websites on the Internet.
>
> Uh...I feel that I must admit that one reason I'm asking this is
because I was idling mine after some repairs tonight. It was dark,
and I noticed a tiny, tiny glow on the distributor cap... Help.
>
> Rich A.
> #5335
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