To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 9 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Pinhole Coolant Leaks From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx> 2. RE: Lowered suspension From: "W.\"Ski\" Lukowski" <vegascop1@xxxxxxxx> 3. Re: Houston Open House From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 4. Re: DeLorean & Lagonda From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx> 5. Antifreeze/Car History Question. From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx> 6. Zilla photos posted to Files section From: "ryanjm10014" <ryanjm@xxxxxxx> 7. NCDMC Announcement - DMC Garden Grove visit From: "ryanjm10014" <ryanjm@xxxxxxx> 8. Re: Roof Door seal replacement.How? From: "John Elgersma" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx> 9. Re: DeLorean & Lagonda From: "Henry" <henry@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:45:09 -0000 From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Pinhole Coolant Leaks The root cause IS the anti-freeze! When it changes ph and becomes acidic it becomes more and more of an electolyte. When it is in contact with the different types of metals a potential is created between them. In effect you have a battery and the lower potential metal on the EM chart dissolves which means the aluminum is the first to go with the thinner parts showing the damage first. You will also see damage to the brass with the least to the steel. This also happens if you use a float charger and leave it on all of the time with the battery in the car. The AC current will leak a tiny bit and cause damage. The best advice is to remove the battery when you store the car and try to never charge the battery in the car. Another problem unique to the Delorean is the lack of grounding points in the car. If there is a current between parts the body can't carry it so it could go through the car in the cooling system causing the deplating. On boats they use a sacrificial anode to prevent damage to the parts you want to protect. It is made of zinc which is very easy to dissolve so it disappers first instead of the propelor or rudder! You also have one in your water heater for exactly the same reason, electrolosys. (I am sure I speeled that one wrong!) There are many types of corrosion, stress, chemical, and electralasys to name a few. The bottom line is there are buffering additives to hold the ph of the anti-freeze within a tight range but they wear out. The anti-freeze could be fine as far as having a low freezing point but when the additives wear out corrosion can begin. Unless you monitor the ph you should replace the coolant on a 2 year schedule especially if you have aluminum parts in the cooling system. You can go to the auto store and buy a bottle of test strips like used for a swimming pool to test the anti-freeze if you want to try to increase the flushing cycle. Anti-freeze isn't that expensive though so the best advice is to just change it, do it every 2 years when you do the brake fluid. David Teitelbaum vin 10757 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:26:33 -0800 From: "W.\"Ski\" Lukowski" <vegascop1@xxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: Lowered suspension I cut my own springs but only in the front. I believe that the car looks and feels the way it should have in the first place. I don't think that people should be lowering the rear, front is good enough. My front has the same amount of space between the wheel and the tire, looks awesome! Thnx, Ski 4649 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:31:18 -0500 From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Houston Open House For the open house event, I am planning on going. I'm in Florida and see that at least 1 person from Florida is also going. If you are driving and wouldnt mind a passenger with you, could you email me off list, Samuel (at) Lightspeed (dot) cx, to see if arrangements can be made to get together for the trip. I'd appreciate it. Samuel James Espey wrote: >Open House registration CLOSES on APRIL 25, unless the 150 limit is reached >sooner. I fully expect we will reach the 150 limit within the next two weeks >or so... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:43:24 -0000 From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: DeLorean & Lagonda If anyone is curious as to what the Lagonda looks like, here is a website with a fairly good amount of info. http://www.astonmartinlagonda.net/ The first time I saw one was @ a classic car dealership here in town. I don't know the specifics, but it was a beautiful black on black combination. VERY simular to the DeLorean in looks. When I first saw it, I myself had to do a double take. The wedge shape the two cars share isn't exactly all that common. The interior was nice, except for when it came to the instrument cluster. I remember it being all red LED's, with allot of idiot lights, and looking overly complicated. Other than that, I do remember that the engine was huge, and used 2 seperate Sankyo A/C compressors that our cars do. High MSRP on the listing for the car if I remember correctly, somewhere in the region of $250K+. The asking price for this car was $40K, and it did indeed sell a short time later. If DMC would have stayed in business, perhaps a design simular to this could have rolled off the assembly lines for a luxury-only class, or perhaps even the DMC-44 model. This looks far closer to a more related concept than the Medusa pictured in SSI. -Robert vin 6585 "X" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:17:23 -0000 From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Antifreeze/Car History Question. --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty@xxxx> wrote: > The root cause IS the anti-freeze! When it changes ph and becomes > acidic it becomes more and more of an electolyte. <SNIP> Quick question along the same lines. How long will antifreeze be able to sit in a car before it changes pH levels, and "goes bad"? I was told that my own car had sat parked for quite a number of years (previous owner had a stroke, and then died, no mechanical failure). But when it had it's very first coolant flush, and all new hoses installed, the mechanic commented on how clean the pipes, old thermostat, and drained fluid were, compared to other DeLoreans that had sat for the same period. So I'm wondering if perhaps I wasn't told the truth about my car's past. All I ever knew was that the car came from Temecula, the owner's valet had a coupel of ads from some DeLorean repair center down in Westminster, and the last owner was supposed to be the father of some Amway guy named Glen Baker. Who after tracking him down (yes, most people's phone #'s are available on the internet), refused to return any of my calls, nor did he want to talk to me when I purchased the car from the mechanic where it was at (at least Howard Hughes gave interviews, cripes!). Anyhow, just curious if anyone had any experince with antifreeze in the past, or may know any answers to my other questions. -Robert vin 6585 "X" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:19:13 -0000 From: "ryanjm10014" <ryanjm@xxxxxxx> Subject: Zilla photos posted to Files section Group, I wanted to share a couple of photos Bob Zilla sent me. One shows the plug-in control module for the soon-to-be-released LockZilla Door Launchers. The other is a good shot of what the solenoids that go with the system look like. Both pictures are in the Yahoo Group Files section in a folder called LockZilla Door Launcher. I know what you're thinking: "As if we needed another reminder that we want these things really bad." All I can say is that I feel the same way, but they'll be out soon now. Ryan #10014 NCDMC ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:23:12 -0000 From: "ryanjm10014" <ryanjm@xxxxxxx> Subject: NCDMC Announcement - DMC Garden Grove visit The NCDMC is proud to be hosting Don and Dan from DeLorean Motor Center this weekend in Mountain View, CA. The pair have generously donated their time to come on up for work on club cars. Don will be demonstrating how to change a fuel accumulator, which is useful knowledge for any owner, and we'll be following up the afternoon work with some dinner and entertainment. We'd like to thank Dan and Don in advance for their services and let the group know in case anyone locally missed the message or if anyone else would like to join us. Please e-mail me privately for any further details or see our club website at www.ncdmc.org. Ryan #10014 NCDMC ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:39:35 -0000 From: "John Elgersma" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Roof Door seal replacement.How? To keep the car original and knowing that the rubber seal is waffered between the door and the metal plate, the job has to be done the right way. I can't mickey mouse these little projects if I want to restore the car with nobody pointing at little things that do not look original. The cost is minimal to do it right. Damaging the torsion bar is just a precaution that I can prevent by being careful and using the hints I received from others in the DML. Thanks guys! John Elgersma --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "silverdelorean2002" <silvercrw646@xxxx> wrote: > Why cant you just Use cut off what is remaining of teh > weatherstripping and then USe 3m eatherstriping glue to glue the new > strip over the old one which cant be seen if you cut it off. To me > thats alot better of a method, you dont risk damage to your door or > torsion bar and it would take a whole 20 mins Max to do. Something to > think about. > > > Jon > 10103 [moderator snip] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:00:40 -0500 From: "Henry" <henry@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: DeLorean & Lagonda Thanks for the link. On their "Gallery Page" ( http://freespace.virgin.net/roger.ivett/pix.html ), there is a picture of a Lagonda next to a Delorean - and the caption is "13359 & an imposter". -Hank ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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