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There are 21 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. RPM to MPH
From: abatt10347@xxxxxxx
2. Re: Re: Coasting and pulsating
From: "Matthew David" <DMC5524@xxxxxxxxxxx>
3. re: Coasting & Pulsating
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxxxxx
4. Paging Richard Kibbey...
From: Brian Henderlong <bhender1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: Stolen Grill
From: efren hicks <marty_mcflyJr@xxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: Clutch Replacement
From: dmcimf@xxxxxxx
7. DeLorean for sale by DeLorean
From: "JDL" <jdl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
8. re: Duty Cost
From: "Eric J. Hennebury" <ehennebury@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
9. speeding tickets
From: Willie Mack <wmack@xxxxxx>
10. Transmission designation
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
11. RE: trans filter
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
12. Re: speeding tickets
From: delorean31@xxxxxxx
13. Re: speeding tickets
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
14. Need door lock parts
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
15. Re: Coasting and pulsating
From: "jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx " <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
16. Fuel mixture oscillation (was "Coasting and pulsating")
From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <knut.s.grimsrud@xxxxxxxxx>
17. Re: Delorean Article
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech@xxxxxxxx>
18. Re: Fuel mixture oscillation (was "Coasting and pulsating")
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
19. Re: trans filter-final drive
From: "jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx " <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
20. DMC watches
From: drinkware <drinkware@xxxxxxxx>
21. Re: speeding tickets
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:21:08 EDT
From: abatt10347@xxxxxxx
Subject: RPM to MPH
Erik.
Go to the DML main page. Look for the link "Resourses". Clink on link, look
about half way down the page you will find RPM to MPH. I check the link it is
good. If you have any problems email me and I'll send you a copy.
Bruce Battles
Vin # 06569
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:34:21 GMT
From: "Matthew David" <DMC5524@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Coasting and pulsating
>From: "jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx " <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx
>To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [DML] Re: Coasting and pulsating
>Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 04:44:12 -0000
>Thinking more about it I would probably suspect a fuel
>injector that is out of spec. Every time it's turn comes around it
>puts out the wrong amount of fuel.
I don't think this would be the problem. I beleive the DeLorean is equiped
with a continuous fuel injection system. Meaning that instead of each
injector having a turn, each injector is constantly spraying fuel into a
chamber which mixes with air and is drawn into the cylinder when the time
comes. If a injector was plugged or dirty you would have an over all lean
condition on that particular side of the engine.
Just my $.02
Dave
VIN 5524
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:56:29 GMT
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: re: Coasting & Pulsating
What you may have been feeling is the load change on the engine when the AC
compressor was cycling.
Scott Mueller
1981/002981
--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx, jdsjlv@xxxx wrote:
> With all of the posts regarding hesitation, ect. I figured I would
comment on
> how my D pulsates while coasting. Yesterday I was cruising down a
flat road
> in my home town. I had my foot resting on the accelerator and I was
in 3rd
> gear. My RPM's were right on the 2100 mark and my speedo read 35
MPH. What I
> felt was a slight pulsation, almost as if the car was trying to
keep
up with
> the pace given the consistent placement of the accelerator. If I
pressed down
> more on the pedal or released it, nothing out of the ordinary would
happen,
> either it would accelerate strong or decelerate accordingly. My
question is
> this: given that the D is a CFI engine (right?) would this explain
the
> pulsating at a consistent speed? I don't feel it unless I really
concentrate
> on it, or If I go slow enough. Last year I had my micro switch (the
one near
> the accelerator spool) replaced and my car is properly serviced.
Has
anyone
> experienced this before? To better explain the feeling behind the
wheel,
> imagine sitting in a chair and ever so gently moving forward and
backward -
> that's what it feels like! Any ideas???
> Thanks,
> Joshua D. Schwartz
> 001292
> Trumbull, CT
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 22:35:14 -0400
From: Brian Henderlong <bhender1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Paging Richard Kibbey...
Apologies for using the list this way!!
I'm hoping to get in touch with Richard Kibbey -- he wrote an
article in the Winter '88 issue of "DeLorean World" about a DeLorean that
caught on fire in Indiantown, FL, and I have some questions to ask him
about it.
The article is posted on the DMC News website at
http://www.dmcnews.com/Vault/Overheated__Delorean.jpg
If anyone knows Richard, would you mind letting him know I'd like to
speak with him? Or letting me know how I can get ahold of him?
Thanks very much,
- Brian Henderlong / Tampa, FL
- Visit my Painted DeLoreans website:
- http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/index.htm
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:33:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: efren hicks <marty_mcflyJr@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Stolen Grill
dear dml
I also need a grill w/ emblem mine flew off when don
(delorean motor center) was driving it on the freeway,
it was totaly my fault cause i dint put it on the way
its suposse to go. so if any one has one email me up.
thank
efren
ps: details, the whole grill just flew over the
delorean and the car behind it ran over it but the
grill was already messed up!
--- doctor who <ohwrd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> why not just put a car alarm on w/a microwave
> proximity sensor that way the
> horn sounds if someone should decide to take
> something else off the car,
> like the radio, or even the car itself. Plus most
> insurance companies will
> relay a discount to you for putting a alarm that
> will disable the vehicle
> and (hopefully) prevent theft.
>
> I understand how you feel, I've had my car broken
> into as well.
>
> ciao,
> dr c.
>
>
> From: "Mike " <mquinto@xxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [DML] Stolen Grill
> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 01:27:17 -0000
>
> Hello List,
> Well yesterday I wanted to wash a car in the
> driveway. So I moved
> my DeLorean out of the driveway and into the street
> out front of my
> house.
> After I was done I went in the house for about an
> hour. I went back
> outside to move my D back in the driveway. And what
> do you think I
> didn't see, my grill!
> I couldn't believe it, I felt so dirty and violated.
>
> When my new grill is delivered I'm going to add
> two small metal
> cables to attach from the grill to the facia. And
> I'm also thinking
> of adding a hot wire with a door plunger to break
> the circuit, I want
> the cars horn to go off when someone tries to remove
> the grill.
>
> Or am I just being really paranoid about leaving my
> Delorean outside.
>
> Regards
> Mike Vin#1113
>
>
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:36:04 EDT
From: dmcimf@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Clutch Replacement
Get a clutch & bearings, have the flywheel resurfaced, replace clutch hyd.
cylinder in the trans. (just a good time to do it). After app. $800 to $900
in parts & labor, it will run like a new one again. My D. #6905 was having
exactly the same problems as you described.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:25:26 -0400
From: "JDL" <jdl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DeLorean for sale by DeLorean
Network BlitzNoticed in the local paper, the Cleveland Plain Dealer, that
the DeLorean Cadillac dealership, owned by John's brother, has a DeLorean
for sale. The ad said "best offer" with no price. Call them directly if
interested... 216-226-2250...ask for Mark DeLorean...
J. David Levey
jdl@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:09:54 -0400
From: "Eric J. Hennebury" <ehennebury@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: re: Duty Cost
James,
They seemed pretty lenient on how the value was to be determined. The agent told me that he could look up a book value unless I had an idea of how much it was worth. I ended up showing him my insurance policy which has the vehicle's insurance value, and that seemed to suit him fine. In fact, I get the distinct feeling that if I'd had no proof of the car's value, he would have taken my word over the book value anyway. Unfortunately, I never did get to see what "book" they're using. I think that if someone were to come up to Canada to get a car, then their sales receipt would be more than adequate proof of value.
>Without asking you how much you had to pay to bring it in, I'd like
>to know on what price they base the duty - original retail, your
>buying price, a book value (if so, which book?).
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 22:41:11 -0400
From: Willie Mack <wmack@xxxxxx>
Subject: speeding tickets
I've heard rumors that a Delorean can not get a speeding ticket because
radar guns aren't calpirated for the stainless steel body. Any truth to
this?
Thanks
Willie
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:53:02 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Transmission designation
[MODERATOR'S NOTE: I changed the subject title on this posting
to better reflect the topic]
Can anyone be more specific about what transmission is in a Delorean? Y'all
say it's an R30, but is this designation for an automatic or a manual or
both? And is this a Renaut designation or did some other manufacture come
up with this?
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:18:06 -0700
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: trans filter
Jeff, the one part of your question no one else has answered yet was whether
the ring gear was swapped to the opposite side for the DeLorean application
of the Renault transmission. I can answer that - the ring gear can not just
be "flipped". The DMC ring and pinion gears are unique, and to add to the
problem the case they fit in is also. Several years ago, with the aid of a
top transmission specialist, I tried to modify a front-wheel drive
transmission by first flipping the ring gear (which isn't even close to
working), then by installing a new DMC ring and pinion. Even with machining
the case they would not fit. You can easily use the front wheel drive trans
if you can find one - the trick is to re-use the ring and pinion case and
gears from your old trans as it separates from the actual transmission
housing. And no, I don't have an interchange for the filter either - yet.
Hope this helps.
--
Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
McCleary, WA
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:13:04 EDT
From: delorean31@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: speeding tickets
This is completely false. The DeLorean can be picked up like any other car
no matter what band of radar it is. The type of metal makes no difference.
I have clocked the DeLorean on radar several times.
Gary Gore
<< I've heard rumors that a Delorean can not get a speeding ticket because
radar guns aren't calpirated for the stainless steel body. Any truth to
this?
Thanks
Willie >>
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:50:26 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: speeding tickets
Willie Mack wrote:
> I've heard rumors that a Delorean can not get a speeding ticket because
> radar guns aren't calpirated for the stainless steel body. Any truth to
> this?
No. The DeLorean's speed can be checked by both RADAR and LASER systems.
However, it does present a low profile target that is difficult to hit for a
good reading, especially if your state does not require front plates.
- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:28:27 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Need door lock parts
Does anyone know where I can buy a parts kit to work on Delorean locks?
It's either that or cut and file some new parts out of brass stock. Any
suggestions?
I just got back from dealing with the lock smith who re-keyed my new door
locks to match the ignition. I took the locks to him previously asking him
if he had the parts to re-key them, and he said there was no problem. I get
the locks home to find out that there were several parts missing from them.
He just took out parts and re-arranged what was left to make them work.
Well, duh, I could have done that myself. I told him that I could have done
that myself, but I wanted it done right, so I was taking it to him. He
proceeds to open one of the locks by gouging the back side with a key on his
key chain. I told him I had paid $100 for that lock and I would appreciate
it if he would treat it a little better
than that. He tells me that he doesn't have the spares to make the lock
100% and then started laughing at me asking me if I thought that those extra
few parts would stop someone from breaking into my car. I told him no --
that I am trying to have everything done right to this car and I want the
locks done right too. I wanted to smash out some of his teeth and tell him
that his jaw would probably work fine without the extra teeth and that it
probably wouldn't cause him to starve from malnutrition. But I have had
people rip me off for far greater sums of money, so I let it go.
I asked him to give me back all the parts he kept out of them, and he said
he had already thrown them out. Nice qualified lock smith we are dealing
with here. Two other locksmiths in town turned the job down because they
admitted to not having the needed parts on hand. This man wasn't as honest.
The moral of the story... don't let just anyone work on your car or any
separated part therefrom.
Walt Tampa, FL
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:02:43 -0000
From: "jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx " <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Coasting and pulsating
Technically you are correct. The bosch system is continuous with a
fuel injecter for each cylinder. More accuratly when that cylinder
fires if the injecter has put a different amount of fuel out for
it(either too much, not enough or a crummy spray pattern) then it
would give a different specific impulse. For that matter anything
that
would cause an imbalance would do that including a stuck or sticking
valve, a misajusted valve, carbon build-up, a problem in the ignition
to that cylinder, etc. A good baseline test would probably be to do a
compression test and make sure all cylinders are within 5% of each
other and if they are then to test the fuel injectors and also the
metering unit for balance.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757
--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx, "Matthew David" <DMC5524@xxxx> wrote:
> >From: "jtrealty@xxxx " <jtrealty@xxxx>
> >Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [DML] Re: Coasting and pulsating
> >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 04:44:12 -0000
>
>
> >Thinking more about it I would probably suspect a fuel
> >injector that is out of spec. Every time it's turn comes around it
> >puts out the wrong amount of fuel.
>
> I don't think this would be the problem. I beleive the DeLorean is
equiped
> with a continuous fuel injection system. Meaning that instead of
each
> injector having a turn, each injector is constantly spraying fuel
into a
> chamber which mixes with air and is drawn into the cylinder when
the
time
> comes. If a injector was plugged or dirty you would have an over
all
lean
> condition on that particular side of the engine.
>
> Just my $.02
>
> Dave
>
> VIN 5524
>
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:50:05 -0700
From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <knut.s.grimsrud@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fuel mixture oscillation (was "Coasting and pulsating")
I've spent a little time examining the behavior of the fuel injection system
on our cars (see various back issues of the DeCO newsletters). The DeLorean
fuel/air mixture is controlled by the injection computer based on a signal
received from the lambda sensor in the exhaust. This forms a closed loop
control system.
By monitoring the mixture (using some of the circuits outlined in the back
issues) it appears to me that the mixture control scheme in the DeLorean is
not very stable and has a tendedncy to easily oscillate between rich and
lean. This oscillation is probably the same thing many cars suffer from when
they are cold and the idle surges until the engine warms up a bit. Although
it's not possible to tell from your description without doing a couple
measurements, a perceived change in the engine's performance could be partly
due to the ideal fuel/air mixture swinging between lean and rich due to the
efforts of the injection computer to "hunt" for the proper mixture. The
tendency for a closed loop feedback control system to oscillate is
excacerbated by a slow response in the feedback path (i.e. the oxygen sensor
responding slowly). I suspect that when the sensor is cold that it responds
more slowly, hence the tendency for idle to surge on some cars when the
engine is cold. I'm not sure what the failure mode of the sensors are when
they reach the end of their useful life (they should be replaced every 30K
miles as the sensors do have a finite life, which is why the lambda counter
and dash indicator are there), but if the degradation in sensor performance
near the end of their life impacts their responsiveness, then the injection
computer will have an even harder time regulating the mixture properly.
The closed loop mixture control system in our cars is actually pretty neat,
but unfortunately the performance is not as good as it could be if the
algorithms were better tuned to the particular application.
Knut
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:09:28 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Delorean Article
Did delorean say what stage the cheaper car was in?
----- Original Message -----
From: <afprep88@xxxxxxx>
To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Delorean Article
>
> I recently purchased the CQ magazine for the article. It includes an
> interview with Delorean about his plans for new cars. It is titled "Wings
of
> Desire" (Pg 320)and says Delorean is working with Burt Rutan (the man who
> designed the airplane that flew around the world nonstop). The lower
priced
> car will weigh about 1,450 lbs and have a 250-275 hp engine that Delorean
> claims will be good for 3.2-3.5 seconds 0-60 times. It is made for the
youth
> of America (drawing back to the muscle cars)
> The 2nd car is supposed to be very expense and have a 1,250hp engine
> (which Delorean laughs after saying) and will be entirely
handmade...possibly
> in Italy and it is about 85 % done.
>
> Chris Miller
>
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:22:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fuel mixture oscillation (was "Coasting and pulsating")
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Grimsrud, Knut S wrote:
> By monitoring the mixture (using some of the circuits outlined in the
> back issues) it appears to me that the mixture control scheme in the
> DeLorean is not very stable and has a tendedncy to easily oscillate
> between rich and lean. This oscillation is probably the same thing
> many cars suffer from when they are cold and the idle surges until the
It is normal for all fuel injected cars to go back and forth between rich
and lean. The oxygen sensor is not precise enough, nor the fuel system
responsive enough to get the mixture perfectly right all the time. So it
is normal to go back and forth between rich and lean.
The O2 sensor will not work at all when it is cold, so the system has to
run in open loop (a preset amount of fuel, without regard to the O2
sensor) mode at first. I don't know about the K-jetronic specifically, but
it is also normal for fuel injection systems to run open loop at full
throttle and/or high RPM. (In this case you should see the mixture become
rich and stay there).
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:05:26 -0000
From: "jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx " <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: trans filter-final drive
Be very careful in changing the final drive-transmission combination.
There are some very critical dimensions to observe between the two
components. Read the manual and understand what they are and how to
do them, you need special tools to measure and adjust. Failure to
adjust correctly will quickly cause damage to either the final drive
or the transmission or both. The final drive has a very low failure
rate and the trans is not too bad if you take care of it and don't
beat it to death. As in any car with an automatic transmission the
trans has friction plates which do wear and will eventualy cause the
trans to need to be rebuilt. Depending on your driving habits and
luck
with the shift computer an automatic trans could last 100,000 miles.
The final drive has no lifetime limit if you keep it filled with
clean
oil and change it once in a while, 50,000 is probably often enough.
During a trans rebuild all a final drive would require is maybe new
bearings, seals and, gaskets.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757
--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx, Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl@xxxx> wrote:
> Jeff, the one part of your question no one else has answered yet
was
whether
> the ring gear was swapped to the opposite side for the DeLorean
application
> of the Renault transmission. I can answer that - the ring gear can
not just
> be "flipped". The DMC ring and pinion gears are unique, and to add
to the
> problem the case they fit in is also. Several years ago, with the
aid of a
> top transmission specialist, I tried to modify a front-wheel drive
> transmission by first flipping the ring gear (which isn't even
close
to
> working), then by installing a new DMC ring and pinion. Even with
machining
> the case they would not fit. You can easily use the front wheel
drive trans
> if you can find one - the trick is to re-use the ring and pinion
case and
> gears from your old trans as it separates from the actual
transmission
> housing. And no, I don't have an interchange for the filter either
- yet.
> Hope this helps.
>
> --
> Darryl Tinnerstet
> Specialty Automotive
> McCleary, WA
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:53:49 -0400
From: drinkware <drinkware@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DMC watches
$3000.00 for a watch??? If I can get an order for 15 watches, I can have them produced for the list with the DMC wings up design, for $22.00 each and the watch comes in a 2 pce silver tin box. The watch has a stainless steel case, leather strap, top quality Japanese Citizen movement, white face with silvertone hands, (and sweeping second hand), 24 month limited warranty.( #tlg28). I have been in the promotional products business for 30 years, and supplied the DeLorean patio glasses at the Cleveland show. Please contact me directly at: drinkware@xxxxxxxx
Marvin
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:58:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: speeding tickets
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Willie Mack wrote:
> I've heard rumors that a Delorean can not get a speeding ticket
> because radar guns aren't calpirated for the stainless steel body.
> Any truth to this?
No. :}
The DeLorean has a pretty low radar cross section, because of the slanted
radiator, the rear mounted engine, and its low profile. But the stainless
does not confer radar immunity. It has somewhat less radar signature than
normal sheet metal, but far more than plastic or fiberglass.
Even if the DeLorean were radar immune, you could still get tickets by
being paced, laser, or by the good old fashioned stopwatch.
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