To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 7 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Rene Grieder.....where are you? From: "supremeadmiralsenn <StadnickAd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>" <StadnickAd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 2. Re: Re: Red Hot Exhaust / Melted Catalytic Converter From: "content22207 <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 3. Re: lock cylinder issues From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>" <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx> 4. don steger's front kick speakers - need help From: Soma576@xxxxxxx 5. RE: Re: Re: Red Hot Exhaust / Melted Catalytic Converter From: "IN2TIME" <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxx> 6. Re: Red Hot Exhaust / Melted Catalytic Converter From: "Harold McElraft <hmcelraft@xxxxxxx>" <hmcelraft@xxxxxxx> 7. RE: Re: lock cylinder issues From: "K Creason" <dmc4687@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:58:27 -0000 From: "supremeadmiralsenn <StadnickAd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>" <StadnickAd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Rene Grieder.....where are you? If anyone knows Rene Grieder...I tried to respond to his ad for a delorean for sale....but his email won't accept anything i send to him...Please, anyone who knows of a working email for him please rpely...thank you. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:03:10 -0000 From: "content22207 <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Re: Red Hot Exhaust / Melted Catalytic Converter Oh boy -- test driving a new modem in my friend's computer just in time for a disagreement... Lean fuel mixtures burn hotter than rich ones. What do you do to increase temperature of a welding torch? Increase the oxygen. What happens when you put too much LP to your grill? The flame turns orange (cool). You'll know when you have unburned fuel in the exhaust system by the inevitable muffler fart or explosion, depending on amount (this is what happens on loose engines that continue to rotate briefly after ignition is turned off). BTW: my cat melted when the fuel pickup was totally stopped up -- an ultimate lean condition. And yes, my firefighter friend just confirmed you can indeed put out a fire with LIQUID gasoline (it's the oxygenated vapors that burn). Bill Robertson #5939 PS: After further conversation w/ fire department buddy, better example of lean vs. rich fuel mixture would be soldering torch. Only variable w/ plumber's torch is propane (uses outside atmosphere for oxygen just like a car). Welder's torch is a closed system. Apologies... >--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty@xxxx>" <jtrealty@xxxx> wrote: > A glowing catalytic converter is a sign of an over-rich condition with > unburned hydrocarbons in the exhaust. When these unburned hydrocarbons > enter the catalytic converter (which under normal conditions runs > 1200-1500 degrees) they burn which causes the temperature of the > coverter to go over 2000 degrees. It can get hot enough to fuse the > matrix of platinum pellets and stainless gratings which can cause the > converter to become "plugged up" or restrict the flow of exhaust > gases. This is most noticeable as a lack of power at high RPM's. > Besides an out of adjustment fuel system one of the more common > causes is a misfiring cylinder caused by a bad ignition wire or spark > plug. Since the fuel isn't consumed in the cylinder it gets into the > exhaust where it burns inside the catalytic converter. Short periods > of this don't always cause permanant damage. Over longer times it will > distort the exhaust system, damage the catalytic converter, > contaminate the O2 sensor, melt nearby plastic and fiberglass, and > possibly set the car on fire. Fuel cools, at least unless it is being > oxidized! I wouldn't try putting out a fire by throwing cool fuel on > it!!!!! > David Teitelbaum > vin 10757 > > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "content22207 <brobertson@xxxx>" > <brobertson@xxxx> wrote: > > Am on Xmas vacation, so this is first time I've seen list all > week... > > > > It is indeed possible to melt the guts of a honeycomb style > catalytic > > converter. Not sure why (stuff has consistency of ceramic), but I > did > > so when my car ran too LEAN (remember guys: fuel cools. Until Martin > > G's PRV man diagnosed my re-tuned, hence over-advanced engine -- > still > > getting used to life without a carburetor -- was so rich I could > > actually hold exhaust tips in my hands). Telltale sign of stopped up > > converter is glowing exhaust AFTER the the thing. I think it's heat > > from added resistance. > > > > Do you live in an area with emissions testing? You'd be amazed how > > much restriction a converter puts on exhaust flow. And even when > > properly functioning is unreasonably hot. > > > > Bill Robertson > > #5939 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 05:09:20 -0000 From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>" <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: lock cylinder issues The door lock cylinder is usually the first to go. A "quick and dirty" fix is to switch the door lock cylinders from driver's door to passenger door. If you have the older 2 key system just get some new 1 key system locks and upgrade (expensive). Another option could also be a Lockzilla Remote. This way you don't have to use the key to unlock the doors anymore unless the battery goes dead. In the meantime try to use the key that is the least worn origional, copies are no good and wear too fast. Go to a lock supply or an auto store and get some graphite dust, it comes in a small squeeze tube. Spray some into the lock and some on the key and work it in and out. That should help a little but if you can put the key in and it doesn't go in straight the insides of the lock are worn out. Lubricating ALL of the locks on the car is a good idea at least once in a while. Don't forget the ignition lock and the "vault" behind the driver's seat. David Teitelbaum vin 10757 --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Adam <acprice1@xxxx>" <acprice1@xxxx> wrote: > My drivers side lock cylinder is messed up somehow. The key used to > go in and out perfectly, but last weekend I found that it resists key > entry and then trys to hold the key in. I have to jiggle it around > while pushing or pulling to get it to work. Anyone dealt with this > before? > > thanks, > Adam ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:21:50 EST From: Soma576@xxxxxxx Subject: don steger's front kick speakers - need help Hey all, i recently purchased a pair of Don Steger's (delorean motor center) front kick speakers but i can't figure out which way they go when you mount the pod (orientation). seems to me they could go a couple differernt ways but i'm sure there's only one way intended. i would of course call Don up but it's the weekend and i wanted to install them now!! if anyone has these and can send a really quick pic showing which way to mount them, i would be very appreciative! Thanks, Andy Soma576@xxxxxxx 1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596 Fargo, ND 58102 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:31:45 -0800 From: "IN2TIME" <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: Re: Re: Red Hot Exhaust / Melted Catalytic Converter <SNIP> And yes, my firefighter friend just confirmed you can indeed put out a fire with LIQUID gasoline (it's the oxygenated vapors that burn). </SNIP> You can put out a match by dumping a cup of gasoline, but what do you think would happen if you tossed a cup of gasoline onto a cherry red catalytic converter? (Don't try this at home kiddies:-) What the firefighter explained, is exactly why the converter melts down. The unburned gas is vaporized, oxygenated by the catalyst, burned, and overheats the catalytic converter. The "experts" agree that excessive unburned/raw fuel entering catalytic converters is the primary cause of catalyst meltdown. http://www.forparts.com/Converter.htm http://www.car-sound.com/05converter/05reason2.htm http://www.dynomax.com/super_install.stm Gary IN2TIME ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:16:07 -0000 From: "Harold McElraft <hmcelraft@xxxxxxx>" <hmcelraft@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Red Hot Exhaust / Melted Catalytic Converter Bill You're guessing. Fact is, RICH will burn up the cat. Try it. Put the warm up regulator connection on the cold start valve and keep the car runing for a while - and watch the cat glow. Dave knows what he is talking about! Harold McElraft - 3354 PS - I would be suspect that your cat was burned up BEFORE the lean problem occurred. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:23:57 -0600 From: "K Creason" <dmc4687@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: Re: lock cylinder issues >In the meantime try to use the key that is the least worn origional, > copies are no good and wear too fast. I can cut a brand new key from code, too; to exact dimensions. The problem, though, is some cars do not have a code or the right code listed in the driver's door above the headliner. The code will be five digit number between 7,000 and 9,999. This is for anyone interested, email me offlist dmc4687(at)mindspring.com. If you don't have that number, then we are out of luck. I can try to decode from a worn key, but that MAY get expensive shipping blanks back and forth until we get it right. For $20 I will send you two keys (US destinations). They are not rubber head replicas, though I have considered buying some for this purpose (if in stock). That would add like $16 per replica cut. -Kevin #4687 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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