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There are 20 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Stainless fuel lines
From: "johnsdmc12" <dherv10@xxxxxxx>
2. Re: Shocks - vendors and other scammers
From: "dmcman82" <dmcman73@xxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: door jamming
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx>
4. Re: Sunstar Gold DeLorean
From: Jack The Stripper <motti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: Shocks - vendors and other scammers
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Stainless Steel
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf@xxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: Temp gage fluctuation
From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomciodmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: Re: Sunstar Gold DeLorean
From: crazycracker731@xxxxxxx
9. Last Call for Caravans
From: "Mike Substelny" <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
10. Re: Stainless Steel
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo@xxxxxxxx>
11. RE: Temp gage fluctuation
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller@xxxxxxx>
12. Re: Shocks - vendors and other scammers
From: jwit6@xxxxxx
13. Re: Shocks - vendors and other scammers
From: jwit6@xxxxxx
14. >85mph Speedo
From: "mcookwwi" <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
15. Re: Re: Sunstar Gold DeLorean
From: "William F. Lane" <blane@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
16. New DeLorean Parts and vendors
From: "Stian Birkeland" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
17. Re: Sunstar Gold DeLorean
From: "dmcman82" <dmcman73@xxxxxxxxxxx>
18. Re: New DeLorean Parts and vendors
From: "txgrnbrt" <txgrnbrt@xxxxxxxxx>
19. PJ Grady shocks...New DeLorean Parts
From: Senatorpack@xxxxxx
20. Re: vendors and other scammers
From: "drgolden" <Don.Golden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 06:14:27 -0000
From: "johnsdmc12" <dherv10@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Stainless fuel lines
Group, I put new Teflon / stainless steel fuel lines on the car
saturday. Let me know what you think about them. It was 90 degrees in
Dallas Saturday and no problem. I put the picture on the front page.
Also, someone was asking a while back how long the accumulators last,
Well mine started acting up today, and that makes it 5 years and
about 22,000 miles. Going to replace after Memphis. See ya there.
John hervey
www.specialtauto.com
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 06:16:20 -0000
From: "dmcman82" <dmcman73@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Shocks - vendors and other scammers
Now this I have to agree with James (and I usually don't :)). Why
would anyone want to use a shock meant for a front wheel drive car
on the Deloreans mid engine setup? I could understand if the shocks
were from a rear or mid-engine car but from a front engine car? How
good of a ride would you actually get? That's my question because
I've never rode or driven in a Delorean with that type of setup. Why
not get the new re-designed new fully adjustable shocks from the
vendors? You can adjust the stiffness or softness with the valve
that's mounted to the body of the shock and the rear shocks have
three grooves in then so that you can adjust the height of the
collar as high or as low as you want it. They may be expensive but
they are rebuildable so in the long run you get a perfect shock
setup and you save. IMHO.
Steve
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, "jv_espey" <james@xxxx> wrote:
> --- In dmcnews@xxxx, jwit6@xxxx wrote:
>
> I'm just curious, and hope that someone can answer this for me
intelligently.
> Wouldn't there be some disadvantage to using shocks from a FRONT
engine
> car in the DeLorean application?
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 07:04:14 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: door jamming
To add a little something to this, I had a very simular situation
after I installed a new door handle on the passenger side of my
car. DMC Joe was able to diagnose it immediately. It seemed
that the cable which connected to the door handle had caught on
the sheath, and wasn't fully retracting. The rear striker pin would
disengage, but the front one would not. A quick adjustment of the
cable, and the door was like new again! Before you go adjusting
pins and what not, you may just need to take a look at the cable
first...
-Robert
vin 6585 "X"
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, BondAtomic@xxxx wrote:
> Actually, I am having the same problem sometimes, although
not very many. I
> think it is when the door handle is not lifted up at a good
speed.
>
> John
> 4275
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 04:58:34 -0700
From: Jack The Stripper <motti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Sunstar Gold DeLorean
I've never heard of this company before. Are they reputable? Their
price for the BTTF version is half of what the company I bought my
regular version model from is charging (Exoticar.com).
Thanks,
--Joe
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 21:35:50 EDT
> From: crazycracker731@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Sunstar Gold DeLorean
>
> <A HREF="" href="http://diecastmuscle.com/">http://diecastmuscle.com/">Diecast cars, diecast model cars, diecast collectibles, diecast muscle cars</A>
> Here is your link
>the car does not come out till nov.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 11:04:14 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Shocks - vendors and other scammers
The shock absorber (or more corectly "damper") prevents harmonic motion - "bounce" - in
the suspension. The springs support the car, not the shocks. Presumably a shock from a
heavier car would result in a firmer ride on the DeLorean, but it's a case of "suck it
and see".
Doesn't the Deorean have a firmer ride than the cars mentioned anyway?
Martin
#1458
jv_espey wrote:
> --- In dmcnews@xxxx, jwit6@xxxx wrote:
>
> I'm just curious, and hope that someone can answer this for me intelligently.
> Wouldn't there be some disadvantage to using shocks from a FRONT engine
> car in the DeLorean application? I mean, think of the weight distribution in the
> DeLorean (35/65) versus either of the cars mentioned. Can someone explain
> to me why this is not factor?
>
> James
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 06:35:32 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Stainless Steel
From the daily page of a calendar I got for Christmas:
What Makes Stainless Steel Stainless?
Experts Say: "Stainless Steel is coated with a thin, transparent film of
iron oxide and chromium. This prevents soap, water, and air from geting to
the metal below and eating it away. Since its coating is smooth., stainless
steel is also very sanitary. Bacteria, fungi and dirt have nowhere to hide
and are easily washed away.
It was developed in 1913 by British metallurgist Harry Brearly, who was
searching for a better lining for cannons."
from The Book of Totally Useless Information, by Donald Voorhees.
Four Days to Mempis!!! But we will be there a day early so only three for
us......we have our suitcases and laptop at the ready!!!
Murray Fisher
VIN: 05962 Lic: DMC-XII
Walla Walla, WA
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:41:00 -0400
From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomciodmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Temp gage fluctuation
Scott
Check and make sure that the hot water valve on the right front of the
engine is not touching the temp sensor. I've seen it before. When you
accelerate the valve will move sligthly and come in contact with the sensor
grounding it and causing the gauge to drop down. Since the engine is shaking
a little the contact is not perfect and that causes the gauge to drop just a
bit. In that case the faster you accelerate the lower the gauge goes. Let me
know what you find.
You can email me directly if you need help finding the temp sensor or the
valve.
Hope this solves your problem
Tom Niemczewski
vin 6298 (FOR SALE)
tomciodmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
PS. See you in Memphis!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller@xxxxxxx>
To: "Delorean Mailing List" <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 10:21 PM
Subject: [DML] Temp gage fluctuation
> While prepping my car for Memphis trip, my temperature gauge started
> fluctuating with change in engine speed.
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 15:25:42 EDT
From: crazycracker731@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: Sunstar Gold DeLorean
They are the origanal company that is why they are cheap. no problem
Richard
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 16:40:42 -0400
From: "Mike Substelny" <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Last Call for Caravans
Patti (my wife) and I spotted a DeLorean in West Virginia Friday evening.
It was on Interstate 77 between Ripley and Ravenswood, and it was running
beautifully!
If this was you, or if this could have been you, then you ought to come to
the DeLorean Car Show in Memphis this coming Thursday through Sunday. You
also ought to caravan with the DeLorean Club of Ohio.
See the dmcnews.com page for the link Dave Swingle created to the list of
known caravans, including ours.
Hope to see you Thursday!
- Mike Substelny
DeLorean Club of Ohio
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 16:14:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel
Murray Fisher wrote:
> Experts Say: "Stainless Steel is coated with a thin, transparent film of
> iron oxide and chromium. This prevents soap, water, and air from geting
> to the metal below and eating it away.
While true, this is a very misleading way of explaining stainless steel's
special properties, because it implies that this coating is applied in the
manufacturing process and is therefore subject to damage or wear, which is
not the case.
Stainless steel is different from regular steel in that at least 12% of it
is actually chromium. Chromium reacts with oxygen to produce an oxide,
which creates a natural coating just a few molecules thick on the surface
of the metal, protecting the metal underneth. This coating is not
manufactured. It's just a chemical reaction. If it's damaged, it reforms
itself much faster than the steel can oxidize, hence no rust.
Your calendar isn't wrong, but its choice of words is a bit misleading.
-andrew
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 16:39:44 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller@xxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Temp gage fluctuation
Thanks Walt,
The connector at the sending unit appeared to be connected, but in fact, was
not.
-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Coe [mailto:Whalt@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 10:14 PM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [DML] Temp gage fluctuation
> While prepping my car for Memphis trip, my temperature gauge started
> fluctuating with change in engine speed.
Bad connections at the sender unit are not uncommon. But this sounds like
maybe it is related to system voltage like maybe your alternator isn't
putting out enough? If the gauge goes up on acceleration then it sounds
like a direct correlation.
Walt
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:02:02 EDT
From: jwit6@xxxxxx
Subject: Re: Shocks - vendors and other scammers
In a message dated 6/9/02 1:05:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, james@xxxxxxxxxx
writes:
<< I'm just curious, and hope that someone can answer this for me
intelligently.
Wouldn't there be some disadvantage to using shocks from a FRONT engine
car in the DeLorean application? I mean, think of the weight distribution in
the
DeLorean (35/65) versus either of the cars mentioned. Can someone explain
to me why this is not factor? >>
James,
Shocks don't care whether they get to ride in the front or the rear. Shock
absorbers absorb shocks. That is, they damp the movement of the suspension.
They offer resistance to movement. The weight of the car is carried by the
springs, not the shock absorber. ( Although on the DeLorean rear, since it is
a coil over shock design, the spring does attach to the unsprung lower
portion of the shock.)
The more mass or weight that is set or put in motion, the more energy
absorbtion required to keep the spring from returning the energy it has
stored, back to the body and setting up a harmonic resonance (bounce). So
when the suspension compresses, the inertial energy of the mass in motion is
absorbed by the spring and the shock. Most of that energy goes up in heat.
The rest goes into returning the car to it's normal ride height.
So if you take a shock that offers a firm ride in it's original application,
it will offer the exact same ride with the same weight, as long as the
compression rate of the spring it's paired up with is the same as the
original application.
So if you wanted to make a science out of it, once you know the dimension of
the shock that fits the Delorean, you can take all the applications that run
that dimension, find thier OEM spring compression rates, and the weight they
were designed to damp. Then under the same conditions you'll get the OEM
ride. A lot of work, and still a need to interpolate for DMC-12 applications
(Do you want your car to ride like a Galaxy 500?).
For ball park purposes it would probably suffice to look at the amount of
weight the shock was designed to damp, leave the spring out of the equation,
and go with that. Shocks with a 1000 pound OEM damping load should offer a
stiffer or less compliant ride in a 800 pound application.
Variable speed damping, or sensa track units should take a lot of the
guess work out of it, since they should adjust thier damping to match
velocity. Still a need to bolt it up and try it out to know what you're
getting for sure.
As always correct me if I'm wrong. We can all learn together.
Jim 6147
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:11:38 EDT
From: jwit6@xxxxxx
Subject: Re: Shocks - vendors and other scammers
In a message dated 6/9/02 1:05:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Whalt@xxxxxxx
writes:
<< It is unclear in your post -- have you actually tried using the Grainger
collars on your car or are you just speculating? I got the idea myself to
use pillow blocks from Grainger, but that would require some machining to
cut off or mill off the lip meant to hold the bearing centered. I never
bothered to check if they sell collars. That would be a lot easier to use.
>>
Walt,
No I haven't gotten them yet. But I think I'll try them when I pull out my
$19.00 Napa Gas Deluxe rears and put in my new $24 Monroe Sensa Tracks.
Jim
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 23:01:45 -0000
From: "mcookwwi" <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: >85mph Speedo
I have looked everywhere and I cannot figure out where I can find a
140, 160, or 170mph speedo for my D. What are my options? How
difficult is it to change?
Thanks,
Mark
mcookwwi@xxxxxxxxx
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 19:21:15 -0700
From: "William F. Lane" <blane@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Sunstar Gold DeLorean
Sunstar is the manufacturer! Exoticar is a dealer.
Bill Lane
#3635
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 01:51:01 +0200
From: "Stian Birkeland" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: New DeLorean Parts and vendors
Lately, there has been a very active discussion on the DML regarding replacement parts and the DMC vendors.
First let me say that I'm a firm believer in supporting the DMC vendors. We all know in our hearts were we would be had it not been for them. We need the DMC vendors so that we can continue to drive our fine automobiles.
So why do people look for a non-original "wear" part? In the long run, you won't make money on it, because you will have to replace it sooner or later with a genuine DMC part. Often you will find yourself wasting time at the local auto parts store. The DMC vendors know what you need. Of course there are exceptions to this rule, I won't go into detail, just let me say that I have received parts with no instructions. That is confusing and irritating, so the vendors should try to improve in that area.
I'm trying to get all my parts from the USA, I often combine it with other things I need. Why buy a Bosch Fuel Pump here in Norway, when I can get it in the same package with other parts I need? I feel good supporting the DMC vendors.
On the other hand, sometimes it is easier to order parts over here, for instance a new clutch.
Shipping would be very expensive for a part like this, so sometimes, when I'm sure I will get the correct part over here in Europe, I will buy it locally.
The DeLorean specific parts are what we, the drivers, always have to order from the DMC vendors.
But how do you make people buy other parts from the DeLorean vendors, parts that you can get at a local auto shop?
The answer is that you have to make something better than original. And this is what I have been wondering about lately.
Why on Earth don't the DMC vendors offer parts like these:
* complete silicone hose set for the whole cooling system (only one vendor sell a few silicone hoses related to the waterpump). It would sell very well. Finally, no-one had to worry about those hoses anymore.
* stainless braided brake lines like Marty Maier made possible
*Toby-tabs. Very much needed. Why didn't one or two of the vendors come up and say, Hey we're interested in your project. Maybe they did, but the DML hasn't heard of it.
* stainless steel frames made by Brian Pearce (why do they only offer the front tube extension? And why not make that part in stainless steel instead of powdercoated steel)
* stainless braided fuel lines (we have all heard about sudden fuel-related DeLorean fires)
Again, I would like to ask - Do the vendors co-operate when deciding to make new parts?
I don't think so, just think of the earlier shockabsorber debate...DMC Houston made custom-made shocks while PJ Grady uses off the shelf shocks.
DMC Joe's excellent Battery Saver. Why don't all vendors offer this? It is the final solution to all the doorlight-draining battery problem.
My point here is that all vendors should be co-operating more closely. This is a little community, and I'm sure that development funds could be better used if each vendor specialized in certain things.
PJ Grady for instance, has the TankZilla. DMC Houston is reported to come up with a new fuel device. Is it really necessary?
When will someone start to remanufacture the LH side Torsion Bar?
When will someone offer a brand new Volvo style AC Panel, where there is not any decal, but quality plastic engraved decal which won't crack up like the old one does.
Why don't the vendors ask us, the owners what part we may be interested in/committed to buy.
If we committed to buy, Im sure the manufacturing process and time would be very quickly. The DML is a nice forum to find out what people want, right here, right now.
Also, I feel it a bit strange that the vendors themselves dont participate more often on the DML. I think they should be more active, in order to "get to know" the needs and wants of the DML members. After all, this is THE ONE list above all.
Another thing - more and more DeLorean are coming into Europe. Why isn't Wingray Autos in Liverpool, England more marketed by DMC Houston. I don't think all European DeLorean Owners know of this excellent DMC Houston affiliate. Parts warehouse in the US yes, but how about a little warehouse in England, in order to get the parts quicker.
Ok, thats all for now. I probably asked more questions than I could answer myself, but Im just trying to get the discussion on to a different level.
My point is - when an individual comes up with a great idea (some mentioned above) for DeLorean parts...why dont the vendors react in a timely fashion so that they can get the market so to speak there and then. Then you wouldnt have any private persons who sold "competition product"
I understand that if a vendor has two piles of cooling hoses, that he dont want to invest in silicone hose before the other stock is depleted. On the other hand, there are enough Concours people out there who would still buy original hoses. So really, you would sell two types of hoses to two kinds of owners.
Again, if enough cash is generated on certain popular parts, then new parts could be manufactured even faster.
Ok, enough of my boring thoughts...just my 2cents worth...
Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway
VIN # 06759
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 02:06:40 -0000
From: "dmcman82" <dmcman73@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Sunstar Gold DeLorean
They are reputable. I pre-Ordered my Delorean model from them months
before it was released. They held my Credit Card on file and when
the model came in they shipped it out then billed me for it once it
was shipped. Had no problems with them and Highly recomend them.
Steve
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, Jack The Stripper <motti@xxxx> wrote:
> I've never heard of this company before. Are they reputable?
Their
> > Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 21:35:50 EDT
> > From: crazycracker731@xxxx
> > Subject: Re: Sunstar Gold DeLorean
> >
> > <A HREF="" href="http://diecastmuscle.com/">http://diecastmuscle.com/
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 02:49:31 -0000
From: "txgrnbrt" <txgrnbrt@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: New DeLorean Parts and vendors
I've read with considerable interest the posts on vendors and
scammers.
My opinion is that we should support the DMC vendors. Sure, you can
out source a part every now and then - everyone does that, but when
you need a part that no one else has, they are there. Most of the
time their parts fit correctly and will outlast a "make do" part.
Do you think that the other marque vendors will give you their part
sources? HA! Not likely. Imagine asking Microsoft for their source
codes on Windows XP!
How often do you wear out shocks? We all like to save money, but when
it comes time to replace mine, I'll go to a DMC vendor.
Let me also say that I have many machine shop tools in my garage, and
have the knowledge to be able to re-engineer and/or duplicate a lot
of DMC parts. What's your time worth? Mine is worth enough to
concentrate on other things and buy the vendors parts.
Jim
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:56:30 EDT
From: Senatorpack@xxxxxx
Subject: PJ Grady shocks...New DeLorean Parts
In a message dated 06/09/2002 10:11:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
delorean@xxxxxxxxx writes:
<< while PJ Grady uses off the shelf shocks. >>
Stian,
Rob Grady, the owner of PJ Grady Inc., had the shocks custom made for the
DeLorean. The company that manufactured the shocks & springs is one of the
worlds leading manufactures of suspension components. The PJ Grady kit is
the best option that I have experienced, as I have driven Houston's Kit and
the PJ Grady Kit and prefer the PJ Grady kit over the Houston kit.
The next time you are in the USA ask for a ride in the famous British
Racing Green DeLorean.
Best Wishes,
Michael Pack
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 03:33:45 -0000
From: "drgolden" <Don.Golden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: vendors and other scammers
I want to reiterate Bill's comments. Two years ago I had a front
shock break, so I decided to investigate replacing the shocks and
lowering the car.
After considerable research, thankfully I ran into Marty. I have an
Aerospace engineering background, and it was obvious just how
professional, and serious Marty is in identifying solutions for the
D. We're talking about very considerable testing, re-testing, using
time tested engineering methodology. My experience of relying on NAPA
(or other) cross-referenced parts seems to be a bit hit and miss. I
would much rather rely on professionals who have the expertise and
background to recommend and stand behind their products.
Long story short, I tackled the shock replacement and spring change
with a considerable amount of help and guidance (as well as a spring
compressor). For a relatively small amount of money on my part, I was
provided parts, information, guidance, and an overall value far
exceeding anything I've come to expect.
I personaly take umbrage at using terms like "scammers" in the
context of my experiences with people like Marty and many of the
other vendors.
Don Golden
Vin #4835
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, tonilfhs98@xxxx wrote:
> I rarely post to the DML but I have to relate my own experience
with Marty.
> Last fall I was contemplating changing my shocks to improve the
ride. Since
> Marty will be attending our tech session I thought I want to give
the shocks
> that he developed a try. I contacted Marty and he agree to bring a
set along
> and help me change it. At the tech session he basically changed
the shocks
> for me and showed me how to compress the springs without using any
tool but
> the weight of the car. The collars he developed are well machined
and
> quality is superb. The result is - excellent ride and comfort. I
am
> extremely happy with it.
> Marty is a Professional Engineer by trade and I believe his
improvement on
> the DeLorean is strictly motivated by his interest. Like he
said "He would
> go broke if he depend on it for a living" or to that extend. The
price he
> charge is more than fair and the markup is hardly worth his time
and effort.
> There is no reason that he should volunteer his information when he
invested
> a lot of money and time on developement effort. If he choose to do
that,
> that will be up to him but there is nothing wrong to try to recoup
his
> development cost by marking it up.
> I met Marty the first time at the tech session and he is the nicest
guy you
> want to meet. Marty, thanks for a great job.
> Bill Kwan
> #2157
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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