To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderator@xxxxxxxxxxx To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 13 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Wish List From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1@xxxxxxx> 2. how fast was vin#502? From: ihaveanaccount@xxxxxxxx 3. CARFAX reports From: "The Atkinson Family" <mikeatk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 4. Re: new parking brake cross-reference From: "dmcnorway" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx> 5. Christmas Gift From: "dmcnorway" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx> 6. Crazy wiring. (was Fan Zilla) From: "Adam Price" <acprice1@xxxxxxxxxxx> 7. Re: Re: VIN TAGS was Car #501 (WAS: "Black" DeLoreans) From: "Patrick Cowan" <LilRedCivic@xxxxxxxxxx> 8. Re: how fast was vin#502? From: Robert Brandys <BobB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 9. RE: how fast was vin#502? From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 10. Re: how fast was vin#502? From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 11. Original tires! From: Les Huckins <jhuckins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 12. Car for sale From: Les Huckins <jhuckins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 13. Re: Original tires! From: kkoncelik@xxxxxxx ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 03:36:57 -0000 From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1@xxxxxxx> Subject: Wish List Istead of heated outside mirrors, I would like to have the automatic dimming mirrors similiar to the inside mirror that I have in my Grand Marque and soon in my Delorean. By the way, when I checked at the Mercury parts counter a year ago, the kit was about $50.00. The mirror has a compass and the automatic dimming feature. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 03:40:58 GMT From: ihaveanaccount@xxxxxxxx Subject: how fast was vin#502? what car ever gained 230% on the power by adding a turbo or twin turbocharger. These numbers do not make sense and I refuse to believe them. Does anyone know real numbers? 1537 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 01:28:02 -0700 From: "The Atkinson Family" <mikeatk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: CARFAX reports Hi Group, My CarFax subscription runs out next week. If anyone needs one drop me the vin and I'll send the report on to you. Please include your e-mail address. Merry X-Mas Mike Atkinson vin 16232 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:34:54 -0000 From: "dmcnorway" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: new parking brake cross-reference Also, MINTEX MGB633AF M1136 can be used for front/rear brakepads Best wishes for a classic holiday season Stian Birkeland Norway VIN # 06759 --- In dmcnews@xxxx, "Walter Coe" <Whalt@xxxx> wrote: > MINTEX > JLM 001514 "hand brake pads" > Also fits: > Aston Martin 76- > Daimler Series II/III 73- > Daimler XJR-S Range 88- > Jaguar E Type Range 71-75 > Jaguar Sovereign Range 83- > Jaguar XJ/XJS/XJ6 75-83 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:37:37 -0000 From: "dmcnorway" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Christmas Gift Take a look at www.pearce-design.com Must be the perfect Christmas gift for DeLorean owners. >From early next year the stainless frames will be ready for immediate delivery. Also, there is an opportunity to buy an all-new stainless steel heat stove! Good thing that there are replacement parts! Happy Holidays, Stian Birkeland Norway VIN # 06759 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:15:05 -0800 From: "Adam Price" <acprice1@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Crazy wiring. (was Fan Zilla) My car has had an alteration to the fan wiring. THe relay was removed and has been rewired so that it has a switch (in place of a dummy switch on the console) and can be activated at any time the driver wants. Its actually pretty sweet, I can turn the fans on whenever I think the engine is too warm. The original operation is still there so the fans turn on when the sensor detects about 210 degrees. Now on a sad note. My auto transmission computer is crazy broken. I emailed PJGrady last week to see if they still have their improved version but I received no response. I imagine everyone is out for the holidays, but I want this fixed as soon as possible! So if you read this Mr. Grady, please let me know. Thanks, Adam Price 16683 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:59:24 -0500 From: "Patrick Cowan" <LilRedCivic@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Re: VIN TAGS was Car #501 (WAS: "Black" DeLoreans) the VA DOT sends the case to a state trooper to come out and assign a VIN after inspection by the trooper. Maybe your local State Police can answer you're questions. Good Luck! Patrick C. 1987 Chevrolet Camaro 1995 Honda Civic 1981 Delorean 12 ( I wish.....) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:03:26 -0600 From: Robert Brandys <BobB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: how fast was vin#502? In looking at the reported performance numbers of #502, I agree it is important to look at them in perspective. The legend engine was extensively modified. The details of which are unknown. However, turboing an engine to use the turbos more effectively requires different camshafts, timing retards, higher rpm torque converter and lower rear end ratio. An very good comparison to the difference all this makes it the buick 3.8 liter engine. The Buick GNX is renown for its performance. THe GNX resale value is higher than what the cars sold for new and continues to be so. The GNX set up more than doubled the performance of the car in 0-60 times and quarter mile speeds. What this means is that these SAME changes had to be made to #502 to achieve the reported performance. The most significant would be a lower rear end ratio and closer gear ratio in the trans. Just lowering the rear end ratio of a stock engine car significantly changes its performance with no change in the engine. The basic effect is to put the engine in a higher RPM range (and HP range ) at ordinary road speeds. However, this has a negative effect on MPG,. In order to achieve 0-60 in under 6 seconds, you MUST have almost 300 HP for the weight of the D. A 2.8 liter with the right caming, 6 psi of boost pressure with easily do this. What I find most intreging about the LEGEND set up in fuel management. Turbo and supercharged D suffer from inadequate fuel management at higher rpm. THis is compensated for in many cases by over suppling fuel by shorting the computer to fuel rich. (Sometimes even this is inadequate). Based on my experience with Delorean engines, legend has to make changes to the bosch injectors to make their setup work properly. Has anybody out there put larger injectors in this car? I know I can easily do this on other cars that are hot rodded. BoB ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 16:50:16 -0500 From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: how fast was vin#502? Once again, I will say that the Legend twin turbo engine (as found in 502) is not just a bolt on kit to the stock PRV-V6. Most if not ALL of the engine internals have been changed. Considering the fact that there are French sportscars ("Venturi") that use the Bi-Turbo PRV-V6 engine that have 450HP from the factory, I don't think 300HP is so hard to believe. Marc ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:17:45 +0000 From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: how fast was vin#502? That's a very sweeping statement. Remember that the stock DeLorean engine is a european engine meant for a front engined car (exhaust points the wrong way), catalysed and restricted to meet the emissions regulations at the time. At the time it was the best choice given money and time constraints. Let's face it, 130bhp from a 3litre V6 is paltry even by 1981 standards (especially in Europe where a different version of the same engine, non-turbocharged achieved over 180bhp). The millions that went into developing the engine at Legend when into realising its potential, and they did far more than just add blowers (which is what the Island kit does). It's basically a new engine. If you think that kind of power is unrealistic for that sized engine, you should check out what Nissan were up to barely 3 years later. A good mate of mine has a 1986 production model Skyline, the GTS-R, developing 380bhp from a single turbo'd 2.0 litre strait 6. (yes, it's a "hidden" car in Gran Turismo 2 - apparently!) Re-engineered properly, even by early 80's methods could produce a reliable roadgoing engine from the PRV-6 producing 300bhp. Have a look at some of the other work Legend did (not information I have to hand - sorry!) Martin #1458 PS Please sign your name as well as your VIN - your car's 79 older than mine :-) ihaveanaccount@xxxxxxxx wrote: > what car ever gained 230% on the power by adding a turbo or twin turbocharger. These numbers do not make sense and I refuse to believe them. Does anyone know real numbers? > > 1537 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:37:03 +0000 From: Les Huckins <jhuckins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Original tires! The original Good-Year Eagle NCT 60s are coming into question due to more and more very low mileage cars being brought out and sold that still have original tires. I got one with a tad over 8000 miles on it with original tires that look like new. Now, what do you do with a 20 year old tire, do you trust it? I first contacted two owners who ran their original tires 30,000 miles or better and changed within the last 18 months, but only because the tread was wearing down, they had had no problems with any of the tires. I next sought the advice of Rob Grady who very strongly feels that if the sidewalls are perfect there's no reason not to use the tires. I've now put a tad over 1000 miles on the tires and they still look perfect, very little tread wear and still great sidewalls. I drive the car regularly, if any tire fault occurs, I'll immediately post. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 06:29:26 +0000 From: Les Huckins <jhuckins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Car for sale Latest car for sale on the DMC News page (Dec 22) is an '81 posted by Joel Searls. Over $10,000 spent on it in the past 3 years, appears to have covered nearly all of the points of concern, asking $12,000 OBO. Listed as mid-year, VIN and mileage not listed. How can you beat something like that? As it reads, I paid $17,000 for less and still think I got a good deal. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:45:13 EST From: kkoncelik@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: Original tires! My car has NCT's on them and there are 6K miles on them. they have been well taken care of and kept out of light and look like new. The ride however is horrible. The tires are loud and hard, you feel every bump. I have been in cars with NCT's that were changed and the ride difference is very noticable. I keep my car for concourse and not just for DeLorean Events so they have to stay but if I were driving it everyday they would go for sure. I have also seen tires not taken care of and they are cracked and dry rotted and those tires I would think would be very unsafe. Juts my 2 Cents Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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