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There are 24 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. RE: E-mail address
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: Storing my car for the first time
From: jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx
3. Re: Minor electrical problem revised...
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
4. Re: Re: Headlight Switch / Signaling with your lights
From: Carl <carlmailuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: copyrights and trademarks...they're DIFFERENT!
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Offering Delorean Hauling
From: delorean502@xxxxxxxxxx
7. Delorean vin 502 for sale!
From: delorean502@xxxxxxxxxx
8. Starting Problems
From: Jason Pucci <jasonsdlo@xxxxxxxxx>
9. Re: Starting Problems
From: Peter Lucas <lucas@xxxxxxxx>
10. Re: Starting Problems
From: jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx
11. www.88-mph.com currently down.
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1@xxxxxxx>
12. dmc on gamecube
From: scottymckenzie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
13. RE: Delorean vin 502 for sale!
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
14. Re: I GOT MINE!!!
From: "David Hamblyn" <hammy140@xxxxxxxxxxx>
15. Re: Starting Problems
From: tobyp@xxxxxxxxxxxx
16. Re: Starting Problems
From: dherv10@xxxxxxx
17. Original dealership photos??
From: rammzmusik@xxxxxxxxx
18. Re: Customizing sunstar...help
From: P12C16@xxxxxxx
19. Re: logos & trademarks
From: roto7gl@xxxxxxxx
20. New to list and New York Owners.
From: rammzmusik@xxxxxxxxx
21. Re: Storing my car for the first time
From: gmfm07011@xxxxxxxxx
22. Re: Re: Starting Problems
From: "skipper landry" <sk1pper@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
23. Re: copyrights and trademarks...they're DIFFERENT!
From: Lee <immerse@xxxxxxxxxxx>
24. Console Clock and Vixen
From: mgailey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:23:48 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: E-mail address
[Moderator Note - Generally we do not allow virus alert messages on the DML. If we did, you would all get dozens of them some weeks. I am approving this for the sake of consistency with the post to which it is a reply. This thread is now dead. -Mike Substelny]
VIRUS ALERT
I received an infected attachment from Chris Spratt the other day.
Virus detected in incoming mail
Attachment file : experien.pif
Virus name : W32/Magistr.b@MM
I wondered how he got my address.
Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Salsbury [mailto:paul.salsbury@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 5:10 AM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; doc-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [DML] E-mail address
Chris Spratt, I'm trying to reply to you e-mail, however It just bounces
back to me!!!
What is your correct e-mail address
Cheers
Paul
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:31:00 -0000
From: jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Storing my car for the first time
Storing a car raises a lot of personal biases. The main things are how
long and how much work to "unstore". The longer the storage period the
more you should do. Unfortunatly I have seen the results of too many
cars that were only to be stored for the winter and wind up not being
touched for 20 years. The more you can do the easier and better shape
it will come out of storage. Some of the minimum things are
Clean the car inside and out and remove anything that doesn't belong
in it.
Remove and store the battery separatly charging it regularly.
Best if stored in a heated garage but doesn't have to be heated but
make sure little critters can't get near the car to live in it.
Remove the fuel or at least most of it to get it off the fuel pump
boot and pick-up hose.
Lift the car and place on jackstands.
Treat the leather with a preservitive to keep it from drying out.
Put thick blankets on the car so if anything should fall on or against
it it shouldn't get damaged.
Make sure it is properly insured during storage.
There are many other things that can be done like changing fluids,
fogging the motor with oil, removing and storing the tires separatly,
it becomes a matter of personal issues but remember the longer it is
stored the more to do. In general if it is only put away for 6 months
or less you really don't have to do anything but the battery.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, "Kevin Abato" <delorean@xxxx> wrote:
> It has been a great 8 months of ownership with my Delorean, but now
I want
> to tuck it away until March in my garage...what should I do for
proper
> storage?
>
> Disconnect the battery.
>
> (Please...nothing too crazy...just some BASIC storage tips!)
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:16:49 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Minor electrical problem revised...
> So my windows
> circuit is the one pulling the 13.3mA. Does this mean my solenoids are
going
> bad?
No. I think you are measuring a trickle current through the door lock
module. A slight drain through this circuit is normal whether you are using
the OEM module or the LockZilla module. Try unplugging the module's heavy
red wire (the power lead) to see if this stops the current draw.
Other things to consider:
A bad diode inside your alternator can be draining your battery.
If the total 'trickle' drain from your battery is less than around 60mA,
then don't worry about it.
Your problem may be intermittent. That is why battery cut-off switches are
so popular on these cars. My car even came with one from the previous
owner. My door switches were intermittent. They had no rubber caps. If
you want to try installing caps on yours to see if that helps, just use
small vacuum line caps from the "Help (tm)" section of most autoparts
stores. That is all they are. This didn't work well enough for mine, so I
experimented with using pieces of vacuum hose. Since the end was open, this
allowed it to slide down too far. Then I plugged the end of the hose, but
it was too long and folded by door switch. (My motto, if it jams, force it.
If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway). Which brings another point...
read the archives about Dave Sonto's solid state proximity door switch
replacement. I put those on my car, and now I have no more door switch
problems. They draw far less current than a car stereo memory, and work
perfectly. If the proximity switches weren't an option, I certainly
wouldn't waste my money on a reproduction of the old switch. I would look
at installing mercury tilt switches in the doors, but that would involve
running more wire.
Walt Tampa, FL
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:54:40 GMT
From: Carl <carlmailuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Headlight Switch / Signaling with your lights
[Moderator Note: Further "Code of the Highway" posts will be REJECTED, unless they have specific bearing on DeLorean technology (horn & headlight controls, etc).]
I dont know if its changed, but the Highway Code used to say that a short
flash of headlights only says 'Im here' - but I agree it's generally taken
as meaning 'I can tell what you are going to do next and it's fine by me'
-trouble is, if the other person hesitates (or perhaps decides whihc of two
opions they will follow) its followed by 'oh sod you then'...and the gas
pedel...
:)
As for horns (and Im nearly off topic now but bear with me) a short horn blast
tends to mean 'You dope look what you did' but a long one
means 'Ok ok so you havent taken a big risk here but my car should really be
allowed to use your bit of road right now because thats the kind of day Im
having...'
But DML drivers wouldn't do either cos in the latter situation they dont have
anything to prove, and in the former they are too scared of bending their
stainless... :))
Carl
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:28:55 -0500
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: copyrights and trademarks...they're DIFFERENT!
[Moderator Note: As a service to the vast majority of our readers who subscribe to discuss DeLorean automobiles but nor legal concepts, I will not accept further posts on this subject. If someone would like to continue this discussion on a Legal Issues BBS send a message with its URL and I will approve that. Even if every word of this post is wrong you must find another forum for your rebuttals. - Mike Substelny]
I think everyone needs to chill out for a few moments and take a deep
breath... and learn the difference between copyrights and trademarks.
Copyrights are given for expressions of ideas in a medium (like stories,
songs, art, etc). Trademarks are protected logos (actual images) and/or
owned/non ordinary words - true trademarks like the word "Pepsi". Both are
intellectual property, but the rules concerning each are different. DMC
Houston can trademark the phrase "DELOREAN MOTOR COMPANY" and "DMC" (text,
that is), but they can't be copyrighted, since they are not actual
expressions of ideas - the *are* trade names used in commerce. The graphic
image of "DMC" can be copyrighted and trademarked. DMC Houston can also
copyright their new magazine, their website, and documentation they produce,
etc, so people can't copy the intellectual content. As my last email
stated, DMC Houston holds a trademark ONLY ON THE STYLIZED "DMC" logo, and
only for two classes. I pretty sure DMC can't claim a copyright on the
"DMC" logo or anything and everything that says "DMC", since (a) they didn't
create (i.e. express) it originally, (b) I can find no official registration
of a copyright for the logo, and (c) DMC Houston does not specify that the
image is actually copyrighted. So, please, before everyone goes flying off
the handle - get your facts straight, understand exactly what DMC Houston
has rights to protect and then move forward.
Lee stated:
>The bottom line is that it's entirely DMC Houston's game, they can enforce
or not as they choose, with >any outcome being either an out of court
settlement or court finding after a trial.
and
>This is true of all others as well who are selling
>anything that DMC Houston might decide to claim is theirs,
Again, this is only true for the two classes under which they have
registered the DMC logo. I don't know DMC Houston very well, and I've only
met James at Cleveland, so I don't know if DMC Houston is attempting to
claim rights to everything "DMC" or not, based on two trademarks. Facts,
rather than hearsay, would be nice.
I am not a lawyer, so if there are any lawyers that want to correct my
understanding, please feel free. Having been through this for my website,
this is my understanding.
-Hank Eskin #1619
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:00:30 -0000
From: delorean502@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Offering Delorean Hauling
[Eric and anyone else in this business: The DMC News website has sections for classified ads as well as links to vendors. Feel free to make use of them. - Mike Substelny]
Hello,
My dad and I do Delorean hauling on the side. We live in Michigan
and are interested in helping out people who live in the general
area. Meaning, no California trips or Florida trips. Right now my
dad is picking up a Delorean for someone who lives in Chicago, and
the delorean is located in Missouri. We have a flatbed trailer that
is specially rigged for Deloreans. We haul our Delorean on it all
the time, and have other Delorean on it too for people. Our rates
are competative with professional haulers. I guess our only sales
pitch is we love Deloreans. We care for them, and know how to treat
them. They are not just another car on the trailer to us. We take
great care in hauling them. If anyone is interested, you can contact
me at delorean502(at)excite.com or 616-836-9225.
THanks
Erik Geerdink
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:01:42 -0000
From: delorean502@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Delorean vin 502 for sale!
Vin 502 is for sale on eBay right now! If I only had the money I
could finally have the car that I modeled my email address after.
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:44:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Jason Pucci <jasonsdlo@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Starting Problems
I have been having some starting/engine firing problems. I know that various things have been written in the past about different causes, but any insights would be appreciated before the car heads back to my mechanic.
About two months ago, I started having problems as I attempted to start the car. The engine would turn over and over but it would not fire. This only happened a few times, and eventually it started. A few weeks ago, I could not get it to start at all. My mechanic, while checking the likely causes, performed the “quick fix” (from DeLorean MidAtlantic) for a bad accumulator but nothing seemed to work. After sitting for a few days, the car started right up. After driving it a great deal 2 weekends ago, the problem occurred about 1/3 of the time but eventually I could get it to start. Last week I could not get it to start OR turn over at all. The battery is OK, but NOTHING happens as I try to start it???
Thanks,
Jason
VIN 7172
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:07:11 -0500
From: Peter Lucas <lucas@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Starting Problems
I had very similar symptoms--the problem seemed to be humidity
sensitive. Turned out to be corroded terminals on the electrical
connector to the idle speed motor. Cleaning them up with a little file
and electrical contact cleaner did the trick. In general, it is a good
idea to check all those colorful little plugs from time to time.
--Pete Lucas
VIN #06703
On Monday, November 26, 2001, at 10:44 AM, Jason Pucci wrote:
> I have been having some starting/engine firing problems. I know that
> various things have been written in the past about different causes,
> but any insights would be appreciated before the car heads back to my
> mechanic.
>
> About two months ago, I started having problems as I attempted to start
> the car. The engine would turn over and over but it would not fire.
> This only happened a few times, and eventually it started. A few weeks
> ago, I could not get it to start at all. My mechanic, while checking
> the likely causes, performed the ìquick fixî (from DeLorean
> MidAtlantic) for a bad accumulator but nothing seemed to work. After
> sitting for a few days, the car started right up. After driving it a
> great deal 2 weekends ago, the problem occurred about 1/3 of the time
> but eventually I could get it to start. Last week I could not get it
> to start OR turn over at all. The battery is OK, but NOTHING happens
> as I try to start it???
>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:15:34 -0000
From: jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Starting Problems
You really need to determine the system causing the problem. It could
be either fuel or ignition. The next time it won't start see if you
are getting spark. This will send you into the right trubleshooting
path. No spark and it's electrical, spark means fuel system trouble.
I am going to guess that since it eventually starts without changing
anything that it is ignition related. How old are the ignition wires
and were the plugs ever cleaned and gapped? The accumulater "fix" is
only meant to diagnose a hard hot start so I wouldn't have expected it
to mean anything. Does it seem worse when the humidity is high? This
would point to ignition breakdown. If it starts easily after it is
warmed up this also indicates ignition breakdown. Of course fuel
system problems could also mimic these symptoms. When was the car last
tuned up. 9 times out of 10 these symptoms finally lead an owner to do
the tune-up he was putting off and replacing the usual parts "fixes"
the problems. Wintertime is a great time to do the maintaince you put
off during the driving season.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757
[Duplicate quote deleted by moderator]
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:01:41 -0000
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1@xxxxxxx>
Subject: www.88-mph.com currently down.
Hello, Many of you may have seen my website containing the Sunstar
model door fix procedure. Due to a power outage at the hosting site,
www.88-mph.com as well as a number of other websites are currently
experiencing issues. The power has been restored, but at this time, a
number of computers may be affected. This includes many other sites.
We are trying to isolate the problem that has occured. Please bear
with us for the time being, this is an unforseen issue that could not
be prevented, but we are tring to investigate the resolution to
restore www.88-mph.com. I will announce as soon as it is operating
again.
Jeff Chabotte, Webmaster 88-mph.com
Norwich, CT
Striving for the dream
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:20:33 -0000
From: scottymckenzie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: dmc on gamecube
[Moderator Note: The post is approved because it contains genuine news that may interest some subscribers. Please do not attempt to post responses to it. - Mike Substelny]
Here's a link to a screenshot for a game on the gamecube that has
a section based on Back to the Future where you ride in the car, its
called Universal Studios Park Adventures and should be out in
December.
This could be cool!
http://www.planetgamecube.com/media.cfm?action="">
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:21:56 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Delorean vin 502 for sale!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=598456
078&r=0&t=0
Wow, When I first went to look for it, it was not in the index.. Came
up a few min ago. I guess they have multiple servers at Ebay that are
not in sync.
Already a 20K bid. Anyone know what the reserve is?
The description is not 100% accurate. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: delorean502@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:delorean502@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:02 AM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [DML] Delorean vin 502 for sale!
Vin 502 is for sale on eBay right now! If I only had the money I
could finally have the car that I modeled my email address after.
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:15:58 +0000
From: "David Hamblyn" <hammy140@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: I GOT MINE!!!
Yo Guys,
I'm in Ireland and I got my car from DMC Houston, but strangely the car was
posted from England and I got a compliments note from Wingray Autos
limited.Maybe it's some kind of DMC Houston agent for Uk and Ireland, I
dunno.
I'm very happy with the car.A few little niggles but nothing too major.My
passenger door stays open OK and the driver side.Wicked little model.I've
been waiting for years for a diecast DMC-12.CHEERS SUNSTAR
Dave Hamblyn
Ireland
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:59:21 -0000
From: tobyp@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Starting Problems
This is a "shot in the dark", but you may want to look at the
electrical connections at the top of your fuel pump. This sounds
exactly like what was happening to my car last year, and the
connectors were found corroded, with intermittent contact. I had to
replace the pump, and the rubber boot that covers the pump. This is a
common area for corrosion because of the water that is dumped onto it
from the windshield cowl area, and the configuration of the cover
(two holes molded in for line penetrations).
Toby Peterson VIN 2248
Winged1
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, Jason Pucci <jasonsdlo@xxxx> wrote:
<snip>
> I have been having some starting/engine firing problems. I know
that various things have been written in the past about different
causes, but any insights would be appreciated before the car heads
back to my mechanic.
<snip>
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:44:37 EST
From: dherv10@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Starting Problems
Jason, When you say nothing happens. No clicks, No lights. Could you define
nothing a little more. Will it not turn over.
John Hervey
www.Special T Auto.com
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:21:31 -0000
From: rammzmusik@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Original dealership photos??
Does anyone have any photos of original DeLorean dealerships? I think
it would be very interesting to see. Thanks all
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:45:44 EST
From: P12C16@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Customizing sunstar...help
Hello,
I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I have a beautiful sunstar
delorean and have performed the door mods so that they work perfectly. I
also want to add a black DMC sidestripe. Can anyone provide me with a good
picture of their car so that I can use photoshop to cut the black sidestripe
off of print it, and put it on my model? I appreciate it! If you want,
e-mail a pic directly to P12C16@xxxxxxx
Patrick living the dream with my sunstar
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:58:59 -0000
From: roto7gl@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: logos & trademarks
yet another interesting twist-- in JZD's biography "Delorean"
the first paragraph of chapter 37 contains that exact text from
Ephesians 6:12.
--Greg
#6509 & #6295
- -- In dmcnews@xxxx, "Hank Eskin" <heskin@xxxx> wrote:
>
> Yet more other interesting Delorean Trademarks:
>
> The (still pending) logo trademark of "DELOREAN" in the standard
Delorean
> "bumper" font was applied for by: "Ephesians 6:12 Incorporated"
whose
> address is in Bedminster, NJ. Interesting, considering where JZD
lives.
>
> Even more interesting is the actual Bible text from Ephesians 6:12:
>
> "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities,
> against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
against
> spiritual wickedness in high places."
>
> Very telling, no?
>
> -Hank #1619
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:43:49 -0000
From: rammzmusik@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: New to list and New York Owners.
Hi all, My name is Danny. Im new to all the fun and exciting things
the DMC news list offers. I browsed the list a few years back but it
seemed pointless to just continuously get my hopes up of ever owning
a delorean. Well the time has come where I am God willing within one
year of purchasing a DeLorean. I live in Long Island, NY and I am
about 30min from PJ Grady. Are there any DeLorean Owners in the New
York/long island/Oyster bay area on this list? If so, give a yell. Id
love to talk with ya. Also, I went to look at a DeLorean for sale at
a classic car dealer about 20 min from me. Its an 83' 7,341miles.
Mechanically it looked ok, but then again I cant tell much by getting
a quick look at the engine(It was pretty cramped)Aside from the shot
heatliner and door struts, the interior was impecable. It seemed a
little high at 20k. many little things(windows A/C, fuel line and
like I said headliners, struts and some electrical need replacing).
So it seems the search continues. I am contimplating if I should stop
by PJ grady and see if they deal in DeLorean Sales? Does anyone have
info on this. Thanks all and hope to talk to ya soon.
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:20:27 -0000
From: gmfm07011@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Storing my car for the first time
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, "Kevin Abato" <delorean@xxxx> wrote:
> It has been a great 8 months of ownership with my Delorean, but now
I want
> to tuck it away until March in my garage...what should I do for
proper
> storage?
>
> Disconnect the battery.
>
> (Please...nothing too crazy...just some BASIC storage tips!)
What you should do is use up the gas to have 1/2 a tank or less and
put some extender in it. Also, change the oil and filter. This is the
minimum. You can also, flush the brake and clutch lines with new
fluid and lastly you can put the car up on jackstands. It is a good
idea to put a heavy plastic sheet under the car to keep condensation
from forming on the underside that can come up from the ground/
cement under the car. There are many other things that others will
suggest as well, such as wash the car, cover the car, and put some
dry packs in the passenger compartment. I am sure that there are
somethings that I have forgotten.
Good luck,
Gary Masie
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:34:24 -0600
From: "skipper landry" <sk1pper@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Starting Problems
what are the recommended "fixes" for the ignition breakdown. mine left me
stranded and had to be towed 170 miles home on sat night!! (i was not
happy). i noticed it acted funny earlier in the day, and progressively got
worse. a rain front came through then cold dropping 25 - 30*. after sitting
for a few hrs, i went to leave and she clicked like a starter problem. then
i herd a *pop* and the car lost ALL electricity! after cussing and a tow,
the next day, i reconnected the battery to troubleshoot and after about 6
min, all the lights came on. for sh*ts and giggles, i tried to start her
*VROOM*! What in Gods name happened. and more importantly, can i
replace/upgrade something so it wont happen again?
Oh and one more thing, i know my AC needs charging, but will thet cure the
DEEP surge i have when driving or is there another fix, like the fan fix,
but for ac compressors?
Skipper Landry / Project Redhead
www.sk1pper.com
skipper@xxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:15 AM
Subject: [DML] Re: Starting Problems
> You really need to determine the system causing the problem. It could
> be either fuel or ignition. The next time it won't start see if you
> are getting spark . . .
[moderator snip]
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
[moderator snip]
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:49:03 -0800
From: Lee <immerse@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: copyrights and trademarks...they're DIFFERENT!
[Moderator Note: Okay, one last post for closure, because I SERIOUSLY doubt that any business will respond to a message like this on a public forum. Henceforth no idle speculation on legal matters or hearsay about subscribers will go out on my watch. That means if Subscriber X posts a message, Subscriber Y cannot respond: "Sure, X says nice things on the list, but when I spoke to him in private he told me he steals from children and worships the Devil." If they didn't say it on the DML, they didn't say it at all. Kapiche? - Mike Substelny]
Reply:
To Mike Substelny Moderator:
I agree with this last post and your closing the topic, I am encouraging all remaining edition owners to contact DMC Houston and complane, demand refunds, etc.
I request that you allow or post to the list that the list will allow one last post from me out lining what the out-come is, when it occures. By this I mean if I receive a license from DMC Houston or If I do not. It seams to me only fair to both DMC Houston and my self that list members know what DMC houston finally decides to do.
I would suggest to the list that the copyright question regarding a DeLorean supplier is very much to to point of this list, what any supplier is doing is of great importance to all DeLorean owners. I also feel that when the moderators decide to close a thread, that it is important to bear in mind un decided issues that may effect list members. Remember that the Limited edition was basically for List members only, so
posting the out come of the copyright issue is important.
May I suggest that a moderator post something to the effect that a licensing out come will be allowed.
If and when DMC supplies the license as they have promised :
I can send any such posting to you for approval or what ever method you wish. I invision something along these lines:
DMC has/has not - provided an acceptable use license, I can/am now completing the and shipping the remaining Limited editions. If you are still waiting for your edition plaeas contact Ken Montgomery with your desired shipping address information. - Than You - Lee Seiler
Lee
Hank Eskin wrote:
> [Moderator Note: As a service to the vast majority of our readers who subscribe to discuss DeLorean automobiles but nor legal concepts, I will not accept further posts on this subject. If someone would like to continue this discussion on a Legal Issues BBS send a message with its URL and I will approve that. Even if every word of this post is wrong you must find another forum for your rebuttals. - Mike Substelny]
>
> I think everyone needs to chill out for a few moments and take a deep
> breath... and learn the difference between copyrights and trademarks.
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:28:15 -0500
From: mgailey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Console Clock and Vixen
First point: Moderator, please kill the logo rights thread. None of these characters are
lawyers and absolutely nothing good can come of this discussion.
[Subject line added and futher logo discussion snipped by moderator.]
Next point: I haven't found this in the book anywhere and its been so damn long
since my car has actually run....... Is the digital clock on the console next to
the shifter supposed to stay on even when the car is off? If not, I have
absolutely no idea what the heck I did to that car now. I swear on my life, the
more things I fix on that monster the more things break. She's fighting me to
stay in the garage.
Last Point: If Dave Stragand doesn't post an update soon to the Vixen, I'm going
to find his house when I'm home for Christmas and literally beat him out into
his garage or to his computer. Love that website, Dave.
Matthew 3946
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