To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderator@xxxxxxxxxxx To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 4 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Re: logos & copyrights From: Lee <immerse@xxxxxxxxxxx> 2. Storing my car for the first time From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx> 3. Please tell me what you think. From: "Silas " <silas102000@xxxxxxxxx> 4. Re: Oxygen sensor / Lamder probe From: jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:04:25 -0800 From: Lee <immerse@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Re: logos & copyrights reply: Walt, I tend to agree with your assessment, but being right or wrong about the issue of the exact form of the logo claimed by DMC Houston is not the point. Copyrights are federal rights and for the most part self enforced, so while they are federal laws, the copy right owners are required to do all the legal work of enforcement. So when James (DMC Houston) made his threats about non existent use agreements and re evaluation of My use of their logo, he was using the power of Title 17 of the US Copyright statutes. Under these laws the defendant (that's me in this case) is required to do several things when "notice" is received, some of which are to stop the infringement work, destroying all infringing materials, molds, etc,. No cease & desist order is required unless I refuse to follow the Title 17 statutes. The problem for us casual producers of various DeLorean things is that when Mr. Wynne tells any one over the phone something along the lines as "...if it is not offensive or degrades DeLorean's name or the car ...." It's OK, The caller has no actual permission to use the DMC Houston registered logo. Such licensing has to be in writing to be enforceable and defended. In my case I spent money to have an attorney write a proper contract, Mr. Wynne received that contract and liked it's content or so he said on the phone, but he never signed the contract or ever got back to me once James took over. While the contract did include the use of the "DMC" logo it also covered other items I wanted to produce. The bottom line is that it's entirely DMC Houston's game, they can enforce or not as they choose, with any out come being either an out of court settlement or court finding after a trial. More to the point, The issue with me was being threatened with the loss of tacit approval by DMC Houston unless I delivered a FREE limited edition 1/24th scale model to DMC Houston. The current excuse "I was only joking...about the copyrights..." when taken with a new accusation on the phone that.... "If you want to use the copyright problem to get out of finishing the models....That's OK with me " (James of DMC Houston), belies the suggestion that DMC Houston (James) made no such statements/demands. As a practical matter there is little I can do now with out a voluntary license from DMC Houston's. Not because I am wrong or that DMC Houston have rights to my exact usage. But because DMC Houston has given me what is know as "Legal notice", now I can only wait to see if the other shoe falls. This is true of all others as well who are selling anything that DMC Houston might decide to claim is theirs, not saying they will, just that it's their option. They must enforce their copyrights and it is what they think falls with in their registration that counts. Any one me included who produces anything that DMC Houston decides fall under their registration is at risk with out a written agreement. Lee Walter wrote: > > The DMC logo was officially registered THIS YEAR 9/25/2001 by Houston. > > This also ran out in 1985, so was unregistered from 1985 until this > > year. > > I bet that DMC Houston will have a very hard time defending any > infringements on this copyright since it has technically been in the public > domain from 1985-2001. There was a similar problem with a copyright > concerning the Diver's Down Flag (the red flag with the diagonal white > stripe.) Someone had a copyright to this many many years ago but never > enforced it. Eventually it became part of the logo for just about every > dive shop in the world. When they went to enforce their copyright, they > couldn't. I bet a similar thing might happen with DMC Houston. People have > been producing the DMC logo in various forms now for several years. If > Houston tries to get a cease & decist order at this point, I bet it will be > a moot point. (and probably bad for their business anyway.) > > Walt Tampa, FL > > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: > moderator@xxxxxxxxxxx > > To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:19:33 -0500 From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Storing my car for the first time It has been a great 8 months of ownership with my Delorean, but now I want to tuck it away until March in my garage...what should I do for proper storage? Disconnect the battery. (Please...nothing too crazy...just some BASIC storage tips!) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:25:26 -0000 From: "Silas " <silas102000@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Please tell me what you think. ***** Moderator's Note ***** Respond to Silas directly please... ***** Please go on to my website groups.yahoo.com/group/jigowatts/ and tell me what you think at silas102000@xxxxxxxxx i'm a boy who can't drive yet but always wanted a DeLorean also I am a very big fan of DeLorean memoribilia. Sincerely, Silas R. Canning at silas102000@xxxxxxxxx ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:10:14 -0000 From: jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Oxygen sensor / Lamder probe I don't think so and wouldn't do it for 2 reasons. When the whole exhaust system is hot it is harder to work on it without getting burned and as hot as it does get I don't think it is hot enough. With a torch you can control the heat and only heat up a small area. It does have it's inherent dangers so you really have to know what you are doing. I have tried all different ways to loosen things but I always seem to get my best results when I use heat when possible. David Teitelbaum vin 10757 --- In dmcnews@xxxx, Christian Williams <delorean@xxxx> wrote: > Would it work to just run the car for a little bit to heat up the exhaust? > > -Christian > > On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 jtrealty@xxxx wrote: > > > The best way to remove it is to heat the fitting it screws into with > > an acetalyne torch. If you don't have one find a muffler shop to do it ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! 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