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There are 13 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Battery Warning Light
From: dherv10@xxxxxxx
2. BMW Eurofest
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. DeLoreans at Bricklin Convention
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. RE: Twin Turbo Delorean 4 sale
From: "Buckner, William" <William.Buckner@xxxxxxxxxx>
5. RE: Twin Turbo Delorean 4 sale
From: "Buckner, William" <William.Buckner@xxxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: New DMC Car for sale Ads
From: "Greg Bell" <gbell@xxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: BMW Eurofest
From: lovdmc12@xxxxxxx
8. Stainless steel polish
From: "Ryan Foster" <westiething@xxxxxxxxxxx>
9. DeLorean For sale
From: "Ryan Foster" <westiething@xxxxxxxxxxx>
10. RE: Low profile subs
From: "Jack Stiefel" <stiefel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: troubles with aftermarket rims (long)
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30@xxxxxxxxxxx>
12. RE: Re: Crome powder coated rims
From: mrvideosawyer@xxxxxxxxxxxx
13. RE: Crome powder coated rims
From: "Brandon" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:37:50 EDT
From: dherv10@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Battery Warning Light
Bobby, I replaced mine thursday. All I did was to remove the lower knee pad
on the right side of the steering wheel and reached up there with two fingers
and removed the bulbs which are in holders that you twist to unlock. #161
bulb.
John Hervey
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:00:44 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: BMW Eurofest
I was at a cruise-in this weekend and got a heads up on a European car show
at the BMW plant in October near my home town (Greenville, SC). He told me
that DeLoreans are usually well represented (I plan to bring mine). Anyone
have plans to attend? Sounds pretty cool. Here's the link:
http://www.euroautofestival.com/
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:21:17 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DeLoreans at Bricklin Convention
I hate to say it Richard, but Erik is absolutely right. The link you provided showed a picture of a
Bricklin!
In confirming the shape/position of the Bricklin emblem, I discovered that the people who brought us
BIG XXVI (Bricklin International Gathering) three weeks ago have recently updated their website. It
now features a lot of pictures from the show, including my DeLorean and at least one other. To see
them, go here:
Click on Pics, then find the BIG XXVI section. The DeLoreans were present at their Concourse in The
Flats.
Brief Commentary:
At least 10% of the Bricklin owners I spoke to said they also have a DeLorean at home. The high
proportion surprised me.
I also learned that there is a big advantage to showing my DeLorean beside a Bricklin. When some
yahoo argued that my car can't be original because it doesn't have the Ford V-8, I quickly shut him
up by pointing to a Bricklin. I wish I could end those arguments so quickly and definitively at
every car show!
- Mike Substelny
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:06:43 -0400
From: "Buckner, William" <William.Buckner@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Twin Turbo Delorean 4 sale
No emissions testing is required here in Michigan. The Pfiffer is a dealar
and Dan is the owner. It is likely he did place a dealers plate and drove
around in it himself.
Bill Buckner
Instrumentation Supervisor
Electrical and Instrument Dept.
Pfizer, Inc.
Global Manufacturing
Holland, MI Facility
% Phone: 616-392-2375 x-2449
* Fax: 616-392-8267
* Email: william.buckner@xxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx [mailto:DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx]
Subject: Re: [DML] Twin Turbo Delorean 4 sale
...
I also don't see how the vehicle never being titled should add to
it's value. In storage since new, up on blocks, never driven, plastic
on seats, all docutmentation verbaly and on paper? In THAT case,
sure, then I would say this would be a steal price. But, never
titled, 9K+ miles, possibly driven by many people? Doesn't sound
right. The big question here is why was this car never titled?
...
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 06:23:28 -0400
From: "Buckner, William" <William.Buckner@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Twin Turbo Delorean 4 sale
Dan had a big auction a few years ago. He put five or six of them for sale.
I don't know if he sold them all. He also had some Pantara's and a few
exotics. I think the Delorean's had next to no miles. It was a big auction
and I didn't hear all the results, but I know a lot of cars sold. I would
guess there are some D's on this list from that auction.
Bill Buckner
Instrumentation Supervisor
Electrical and Instrument Dept.
Pfizer, Inc.
Global Manufacturing
Holland, MI Facility
% Phone: 616-392-2375 x-2449
* Fax: 616-392-8267
* Email: william.buckner@xxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: delorean502@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:delorean502@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 8:35 AM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [DML] Twin Turbo Delorean 4 sale
I am scheduling a meeting with Dan Pfieffer this week. I will ask
him how 9,000 got on it. It states that the car was a demo car. I'm
assuming this is to promote the twin turbo add-on (NOT Legend). Dan
Pfieffer was a HUGE delorean dealership.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:05:24 -0400
From: "Greg Bell" <gbell@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: New DMC Car for sale Ads
Mine went on today as well - $7950.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 9:59 PM
Subject: [DML] New DMC Car for sale Ads
> Check out a couple of new postings on the DMCNews site at
> http://www.dmcnews.com/BuyNSell/dmcforsale.html
>
> A couple of nicely priced project cars - $8950 (WA) and
> $13000 (NYC).
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:22:18 EDT
From: lovdmc12@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: BMW Eurofest
It's good to hear some more folks are planning on coming to the show at the
BMW factory the weekend of October 19-21. This is a great show, and the
money raised goes to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief. I understand
there are only 3 DeLoreans preregistered at this point. I have posted about
this show in the past. I'd like to get them to make the DeLorean the
featured marque in 2002, but we'll need more than the usual 4 or 5 cars to
make a good enough impression to be considered. There are lots of activities
planned including factory tours on Friday. Check out their web site at:
www.euroautofestival.com
It's a great show and a lot of fun. I hope to see a bunch of DeLoreans there
this year!
Brian
VIN 1597
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:15:03
From: "Ryan Foster" <westiething@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Stainless steel polish
Hi list,
I am very sorry about not being specific about the "cans" I have a quired a
case of Stainless steel polish the very same that DMC carrys, They are
asking $27.50 plus shipping a can this is an 11oz spray can. I am selling
it for $20.00 shipping included a canm, The exact same stuff!
I have 3 cans left to sell If anyone is interested Please email me at
westiething@xxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks again!!
Ryan- vin.#16301
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:17:59
From: "Ryan Foster" <westiething@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DeLorean For sale
Hello all,
I have some sad news. I must sell my DeLorean. There is absoulty NOTHING
wrong with it. I just can't keep it any more.
I will be Writeing a detailed discription about it and I will have pictures
by the end of the week SO if any one is interested Let me know!
Basics, 1983 Delorean, Grey interior 5-speed. Beautiful!
Ryan- vin.#16301
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:17:34 -0400
From: "Jack Stiefel" <stiefel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Low profile subs
Go to the Vault, I added a picture of a custom made box I had done for my
car. It holds 2 12 inch subs and 2 6x9 speakers as well. I do not remember
my address as I am out of the office, but it is under something like "custom
speaker box"
Jack & Virginia Stiefel
'81 DeLorean Vin 03461 Aug.1981 NYS Lic:1981 DMC
'97 Red BMW Z3 Convertible 6 cyl, not the baby 4
'99 Ford Expedition 4x4 Eddie Bauer Edition
'01 Black PT Cruiser Limited w/Flames
Visit us at www.sacketmansion.com
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From: johndmc57@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:johndmc57@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 11:21 AM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [DML] Low profile subs
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, njp548@xxxx wrote:
> Hey List,
>
> I tried searching the yahoo groups web page, but couldn't find
an answer
> in there. When I am ready to get a better stereo system in my car,
I wanted
> to get 2 subs and mount them in the rear deck panel right below the
rear
> window. Does anyone know of any good low profile subs? I had
wanted to get
> either 8 inch or 10 inch subs. Also, does anyone know of how much
space
> there is behind the deck? And would it be a good idea to place the
amp
> behind that deck or is the best place for the amp underneath the
spare tire?
> Also, yesterday I installed my power antenna. That thing too a
LONG time to
> install, now all I need to do is install that radio....
>
> Later,
> Nick
> 1852
> <A
HREF="" href="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>
I am in the process of puting a subwoofer in my DMC. For my
speakers,instead of cutting the back panel I took two premade speaker
boxes and cut them down to 3.5 inches, they are the right angle and
color. I then screwed them to the back panel, they look and sound
great and fit below the upper lip.
As far as a subwoofer goes it has to be in a box that meets the specs
for air space. I am building another box to mount my sub that will
meet these requirements and fit between my other speakers. I may be
wrong but I think that any subwoofer mounted in the back panel will
not perform properly from what I have been told by the audio pros.
John.
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:07:07 -1000
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: troubles with aftermarket rims (long)
Walt,
I have aftermarket rims on my car, and I absolutely love them! Know why they
work so well? Because I did the work myself. Sometimes the only way to have
something done right, is to do it yourself or have someone who's done it
already do it for you... especially with DeLoreans. And I think my total
bill including new tires, rims and spacers was around $1,200. As I mentioned
before, I did Matt O's car and his came out perfect too. Right Matt? ;)
My rims are 7" wide in the front, but I don't have clearance problems.
Mainly because I went from the stock 14" front rim to a 16" front rim. This
change helped keep the wheel away from the swaybar. I have only minimal
rubbing now. And I mean MINIMAL! Only one side SLIGHTLY touches the swaybar,
which is better than mose DeLoreans out there already...
Walt, since you got screwed over, and if you still want aftermarket rims, I
could share my knowledge with you if you like. Not by e-mails though. It's
too involved. Let me know if you'd like my help.
---Dan
Message: 3
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:00:37 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
Subject: troubles with aftermarket rims (long)
I have probably wasted around $2k on aftermarket low profile rims & tires.
The dealer was being real picky about making sure that the rear rims & tires
were exactly the right size & offset. This gave me a false sense of
security because when I found out what he did to make rims fit the front, I
was seriously pissed off. Instead of using the OEM size of 6" wide, he used
7". This put an extra 1/2" on either side. Since the OEM configuration on
many DeLoreans has the tire rub the sway bar (mine is no exception), it was
even worse with the wider rims. Only in my case, it was the metal part of
the rim that rubbed the sway bar and not the rubber tire. This severely
restricted my turning radius forcing me to make 3 point turns where I could
otherwise have just made a U-turn. If I kept it up, I was worried that this
might score the sway bar enough for it to break. Rob Grady told me that he
had only heard of one case of a sway bar breaking before. This was while
the car was still under the original manufacture's warranty. Luckily the
guy was only going around 5mph, but it still almost made him eat a curb. At
higher speed, it would probably be worse than a trailing arm bolt breaking.
Besides the trouble I was having with swaybar scraping and reduced turning
radius, I was also having some weird vibrations at highway speeds. Having
someone follow me and watch the front end confirmed that a front tire was
shaking sideways as though it would pivot if I were shaking the steering
wheel (rather than the wheel bouncing up & down like a balance problem). I
got home and checked my lug nuts. One was loose and off-center. I took the
wheel off and checked everything out. When I try to put the wheel back on
the hub, I realize that the lugs don't line up properly with the holes in
the rim. Each hole was around 1 to 2mm off spec. I know that the DeLorean
takes a 4 on 100 spacing (that's 4 bolts on a 100mm diameter circle), but it
was anyone's best guess what these rims were drilled at because each hole
was drilled at a random radius and degree position. It was as if the
machinist drilled them with his eyes closed!
Next, I took the rear wheels off. I found out that the spacer the dealer
had made up was too thin to hold the lug nuts. The nuts stuck out from the
spacer by about 0.5mm which was enough to put marks on the rims where the
dealer torqued them down with an impact wrench. Then I learned for the
first time that all DeLoreans came with 1/4" spacers on the rear hubs.
Well, if the dealer had half a brain to notice this, then he could have made
the adaptors deeper. I mentioned this to him, and he said that he saw this
before but didn't want to bother with taking them off. There are two
problems with this: 1) I didn't buy the style of rim I originally wanted
because with the available offset and 'minimum' adaptor thickness
requirements this rim would have stuck out 1/4" too far. However, the
dealer never mentioned to me that the front rims were going to stick out
1/2" further on both sides of the rim! Gag! 2) Even with my second choice
of style, the guy could have taken the spacer off and had all the room he
needed to make his adapters deep enough.
Other nice little facts that the dealer did not disclose to me:
1) He was re-drilling the front rims.
2) Re-drilling voids the manufacture's warranty.
3) the rear adaptors & rims were not mounted hubcentric.
4) Mounting the rims lugcentric (not hubcentric) also voids the
manufacture's warranty.
5) I got screwed.
Other stupid things the dealer did to my car:
1) jacked it up from the wrong points denting & cracking the epoxy on my
frame.
2) tightened the lug nuts with an impact wrench way beyond the OEM spec of
60 ft-lbs torque. After that my car developed a pulsating brake problem.
Hummm... I wonder why?
The dealer took the front rims back to his machinist to have the lug holes
re-drilled in the right locations. He even had me go across town with my
car so that the machinist could indeed verify the proper lug spacing. They
called me up a few days later to pick the rims up from the machine shop.
This is something the dealer should have done, but I wanted to talk with the
machinist about making a pair of wider hubcentric spacers for the rear.
That was my official reason. Actually, I wanted to see for myself just what
kind of idiots work in the back. When I went to pick them up, the machinist
told me that he used an industrial form of JB-Weld (something that was much
stronger than anyone could buy retail) to hold the steel inserts that line
the lug holes. I thought, "Oh great, JB-Weld is holding my rims together."
I get the rims home and try them on the car myself. To my amazement, the
machinist did absolutely nothing to the rims except scratch them up a bit.
The holes were still in their previous wrong locations with the same steel
sleeves lining the holes. I got a screwdriver and hammer and drove the
sleeves out of one of the rims, and (guess what) there was no trace of any
JB-Weld type of substance under them. Likewise, there was no evidence that
the rims had been re-drilled a second time.
I could say a lot more, but I have already said too much. Let this be a
lesson to the rest of you who try to find aftermarket rims to fit your
DeLoreans.
Walt Tampa, FL
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:12:27 -0400
From: mrvideosawyer@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Re: Crome powder coated rims
Bill,
Do you have a picture of the rims, you have peaked my interest in this process. I was thinking about chrome for my rims but this sounds just as good.
Jim Sawyer
vin 4149 "ELMO" (cause it's red, not for long)
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:51:13 -0400
From: "Brandon" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Crome powder coated rims
[MODERATOR'S NOTE: The image can be found in the eGroups files section under the "Machined Wheels" folder.]
I have uploaded a photo of my car with original
DMC wheels with a Machined finish.
One way to make the original wheels a little more attractive.
Look for the folder " Machined Wheels "
-Brandon
> Bill,
> Do you have a picture of the rims, you have peaked my interest in
> this process. I was thinking about chrome for my rims but this
> sounds just as good.
>
> Jim Sawyer
> vin 4149 "ELMO" (cause it's red, not for long)
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