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There are 22 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Bowie Maryland British Car Day; correction
From: senatorpack@xxxxxx
2. RE: Marc Goldstone/Automatic transmission computer
From: "Lowery, Dennis [C]" <loweryd@xxxxxxxx>
3. auto tranny problems
From: "Andrei Cular" <acular1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. ac compressor
From: RFLRKV@xxxxxx
5. Maine's Largest Car Show
From: Watkins Family <watbmv@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: Marc Goldstone/Automatic transmission computer
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
7. Friday night at Eurofest
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
8. EUROFEST 2001
From: ROBLAMROCK@xxxxxxx
9. Re: ac compressor
From: "Mads C. de Bruin" <debruin@xxxxxxxxxx>
10. Re: RE: Marc Goldstone/Automatic transmission computer
From: senatorpack@xxxxxx
11. Re: DMC receives TCCOA attention
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra@xxxxxxx>
12. Re: 5th gear grind
From: "Michiel Bohmer" <michiel.bohmer@xxxxxxxxx>
13. Eurofest plans... anyone wanna join me?
From: "Dan" <Danrc30@xxxxxxxxxxx>
14. Nose bra order placed with Colgan
From: deloreanernst@xxxxxxx
15. Antenna?
From: WyldKard <wyldkard@xxxxxxxxxx>
16. Re: 5th gear grind
From: DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx
17. Re: Re: DMC receives TCCOA attention
From: senatorpack@xxxxxx
18. Re: Antenna?
From: DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx
19. Reminder - DeLorean Eurofest 2001 - Details
From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
20. I recovered my headliners!
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
21. Re: auto tranny problems
From: jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx
22. Re: Marc Goldstone/Automatic transmission computer
From: jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:38:23 EDT
From: senatorpack@xxxxxx
Subject: Re: Bowie Maryland British Car Day; correction
<This is a great British car show. There are approximately 1000 cars in
attendance, however the field is limited to 800 cars. The setting is British
cars surrounding a suburban Washington, DC Lake. >
Correction.
The field this year is limited to pre-registered 400 cars.
Sincerely,
Mike Pack
DOA 4743
VIN 3713
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:44:56 -0400
From: "Lowery, Dennis [C]" <loweryd@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Marc Goldstone/Automatic transmission computer
What are the symptoms of reverse EMF? And what does his invention do?
Thanks,
Dennis Lowery
VIN 4797(automatic)
Message: 19
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:25:43 EDT
From: senatorpack@xxxxxx
Subject: Marc Goldstone/Automatic transmission computer
Is anyone familiar with the theory of reverse EMF occurring on the computer
governor?
This theory was developed by Marc Goldstone and he wrote a substantial
article on how to build a component to correct this phenomena from
reoccurring.
At the Mid Atlantic social in April, several DMC owners installed the
devise he invented on their automatic DMC's.
If Marc Goldstone is on the list, or if someone can contact him, please
email
me.
Sincerely,
Mike Pack
VIN 3713
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:37:49 -0400
From: "Andrei Cular" <acular1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: auto tranny problems
Well after killing my bank account I got my car 99% driveable or so I
thought. The now is when the engine and tranny are cold I almost cant feel
the shifts and acceleration from a stop is non-existent. After I drive it
about 10miles and everything warms up it accelerates great but wont shift
till 4500rpm for 1st to 2nd and about 5500rpm 2nd to 3rd. I have changed
the fluid and it is at the correct level. I checked the micro switches,
throttle position cable, vacuum, and power to the governor. When I was
driving at about 50mph @4000rpm and it refused to shift I pulled the tranny
fuse, the RPM dropped and it felt as if shifted.
From what I have found in the archives I am thinking it could be the
governor. It is a 1981 with only 21k miles, from what I read the age is the
killer. Is my diagnosis close or is it maybe something more serious? If it
is the governor did anyone ever decide on what size capacitor or replace the
old ones with? I don't want to start anything with different kinds or
brands again just size.
Andrei Cular
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:45:14 EDT
From: RFLRKV@xxxxxx
Subject: ac compressor
Has anyone the model # for the Sankyo sd-510 Compressor? Should be a four
digit number. I can't find it on the unit sticker or anywhere else. Thank
you, #3773.00000000000000000
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:09:57 -0400
From: Watkins Family <watbmv@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Maine's Largest Car Show
The 22nd annual Bonny Eagle Car Show will be held Sunday May 20th in
Standish Maine. Gate for cars opens at 6:30. No charge to enter. This
is THE largest car show in Maine with well over 2000 cars last year that
draws people from all over New England.
If you are interested in more details let me know. It would be nice to
have another DeLorean there.
Tom
#005732 MT
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:59:29 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Marc Goldstone/Automatic transmission computer
>Is anyone familiar with the theory of reverse EMF occurring on the computer
>governor?
Sure. Here goes another one of my hair brained technical explanations: The
closest thing one can readily relate this to is the a/c compressors on old
GM cars since the protective device (a diode) is mounted right on the
electrical connection to the compressor where it is visible when you open
the good.
Electric clutches and solenoids are basically coils of wire. When
electrical current flows through this wire, it becomes a magnet. Electrical
energy and magnetic energy mutually create each other at the speed of light.
When electrical energy flows through the coil, it produces a magnetic field
around the coil. When the electrical energy is disconnected, the magnetic
field collapses around the coil and in the process induces an electric
potential across the coil that can have an extremely high electrical
pressure (voltage) or EMF, electromotive force -- it is called by many
names. This spike can damage other systems connected to the car. In order
stop this from happening, all you need to do is install a diode (protective
device) across the coil.
A diode is a device that has two electrical connections like a battery.
It's purpose in electronics is to allow electrical current to flow through
it in one direction more easily than the other. What makes a diode so adept
at protecting a car's electronics from reverse EMF is it's property to
conduct current in predominantly one direction. The nature of reverse EMF
is that it is, well, reversed. If you push a current though a coil and then
take the current away, then the reverse EMF is sort of like pushing on a
spring and having it snap back. Since a diode works as a one way valve to
current, it will appear invisible to the original current (the force pushing
on the spring) that runs the coil and then appear to be a short circuit to
any reverse EMF (the damaging rebound from the spring) that the coil
develops as it is turned off.
In the DeLorean, diodes like these are used on the a/c compressor clutch
(which uses an electromagnet to engage and is basically a type of solenoid).
The door lock module also uses one to absorb the reverse EMF produced from
the door lock solenoids. On the original module, this diode was underrated
along with other components in the module and is prone to premature failure.
Concerning the transmission computer governor, the engineer who designed it
didn't know what he was doing. He forgot to include shunting diodes in the
circuit to protect the computer from the reverse EMF produced by the shift
solenoids. When rebuilding the computer, it is a good idea to add these
protective devices to the circuit.
This is a quick explanation of WHY it is done. If I tried to explain it
better, it would take too long. If you want to know HOW it is done, there
are explanations in the DML archives. If rebuilding the computer is beyond
your abilities, you can mail it off to various people on the DML who can
upgrade it for you.
Walt Tampa, FL
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:47:35 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Friday night at Eurofest
Hi All,
The Friday night at Eurofest is listed in the itinerary as "Sample the
nightlife of Belfast". Well, together with some (female) friends I have
met through work, and Dan Willis and Chris Hawes who I'm driving over
with, we're going out for a good session. I have no idea what's planned,
I only know it'll involve plenty of drinking...
I thought I'd throw it open to any sub-30 (though not restricted to!)
DMLers who are willing to risk a sore head on Saturday morning :-) Drop
me a mail if you're interested.
See you there
Martin
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:03:53 EDT
From: ROBLAMROCK@xxxxxxx
Subject: EUROFEST 2001
On-line registrations for Eurofest 2001 are now closed. The Guinness Book of
Records have been informed that this will be the largest "International
gathering" of DeLorean owners and enthusiasts ever.
It will also be the largest number of DeLorean cars assembled outside the USA
since the factory closed.
Thank you to all those who have registered and who will be in Belfast in two
weeks time - have a safe journey. By the way, one of the delegates at this
20th anniversary is called DeLorean
Very best wishes,
Robert Lamrock
Eurofest Organiser
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 23:44:49 +0200
From: "Mads C. de Bruin" <debruin@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: ac compressor
The model # is: 8494. I needed this number as well so I looked it up
yesterday! :-)
Mads
RFLRKV@xxxxxx wrote:
>
> Has anyone the model # for the Sankyo sd-510 Compressor? Should be a four
> digit number. I can't find it on the unit sticker or anywhere else. Thank
> you, #3773.00000000000000000
>
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:02:48 EDT
From: senatorpack@xxxxxx
Subject: Re: RE: Marc Goldstone/Automatic transmission computer
Hi Dennis,
You are in Virginia correct?
I'm in Annapolis.
Emf will burn the automatic computer and there is a chance of the unit
failing. When the D is shifting up from 1st thru 3rd it is safe. When the D
is downshifting from 3rd to 1st it makes huge electrical spikes in
voltage...based on what I have be told.
The device eliminates the spikes and makes the transmission shift
smoother. There are several people who use the device. It is about the size
of a 1" cube, and fits on the harness for the computer in the engine bay.
They are reporting smoother shifting and longer life of the computer. A guy
had 120,000 miles on his automatic at the last door adjustment.
I have a schematic on how to build the device along with a parts list. I
want the owner/inventor to contact me so that we can make a batch for the
cars.
Interested?
Sincerely,
Mike
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 22:17:11 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DMC receives TCCOA attention
The direct link doesn't work for this. Go to http://www.tccoa.com/
and click on the "Misc BBS" link. Then do a page search for
"DeLorean" since its a huge page. I find it very interesting to see
what other car clubs/lists think of our D. I may have to do my own
searches or even "bring up" the D topic on other lists just to see
what they say.
Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, Trevor L Johnson <comet4055@xxxx> wrote:
> A family member of mine has a T-Bird and on the Thunderbird/ Cougar
club
> of America's site the DMC is getting some attention
> http://www.tccoa.com/miscbbs/
> Its a good ways down, and they are very mis informed, Wouldn't it be
nice
> to show some more positive sides to this??? (you don't have to be a
> member to post to their site...
>
> Trevor Johnson
> DMC #'s 4055 and 6974
> www.geocities.com/dmc6974
> www.deloreanstore.com
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:10:44 +0200
From: "Michiel Bohmer" <michiel.bohmer@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 5th gear grind
Hi,
I also have a 5'th gear grind. The strange thing is: It has a new clutch, a
metal clutchline, new fluid in clutch operating system and transmission, no
leaking cilinders and a longered clutch pedal linkage.
I hear Grady has a modification for the master cilinder. But I think this
bigger bore (=transporting more fluid) results in a more heavy operation.
(force/area=pressure. A bigger bore results in a bigger area, if your foot
provides the same force on the pedal the hydraulic pressure would be less.
Engaging the pressureplate would take the same force as before, so to meet
up you have to press your foot harder). Í don't know the wishes of other
Delorean owners, but I certainly don't need an even more heavier clutch on
my Delorean.
I think many peoples problems can be easily solved for a bargain. Forget the
steelbraided clutchline for a moment, it's a little expensive and, in my
opinion, it has not that much effect. Go for the pedal-linkage. It's that
black, metal bracket that tranfers the movement of the pedal, to an arm, on
a tube of that pedalconstruction down at your feet. Make your own bracket.
The two holes should be approx 5 mm further apart. In the end your
clutchpedal will be a little higher positioned. In other words; you can
press the pedal further in. It still needs the same force but you can press
it futher in and therefore transport more fluid. I'm sure that in most
cases, it will do the trick. (If you think that drilling two holes in two
plates of metal is difficult you can allways buy that adjustable linkage
that is for sale. It has the same working, you can adjust it at an optimum
aswell).
The sad thing is though, that with all this talk my problem remains. My 5th
gear grinds a bit. Low milage, no air in the cutchline, all other gears work
really smooth, both up and down. Could it be a synchromeshring? For the 5th?
at 24.000 miles on a trans with a hell of a reputation?
Who has a suitable answer?
PS: My next idea is to put the slavecilinder a bit more foreward. I want to
put little bushings between the cilinder and the trans-housing.
Michiel
Vin #2998
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 23:23:58 -0000
From: "Dan" <Danrc30@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Eurofest plans... anyone wanna join me?
I'm going to arrive in Dublin on the day of the 21st, and plan on
staying there until the 23rd. Then on the 24th, I'm going to take the
train to Belfast for the Expo. My question is, is anyone else going
to be in Dublin on the days I am? I'd like to hook up with someone
and maybe split a room? It's really expensive that weekend I'm
finding out. Please e-mail me ASAP at Danrc30(at)hotmail.com if
you're interested. Thanks.
---Dan
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:44:55 EDT
From: deloreanernst@xxxxxxx
Subject: Nose bra order placed with Colgan
Hi-
I won't use the list for a blow-by-blow report of the delivery process, but
the order has been placed with Colgan Custom for this year's batch of custom
made DeLorean nose bras. They may begin cutting as soon as next week. I had
many inquiries, and hopefully responded to everyone as asked, but my DeLorean
screen name fills up very quickly, amd sometimes things get overlooked! If I
haven't replied to you, please contact me privately ASAP since they'll let me
add on to the order until Monday a.m. If I've already indicated you're on the
list, no need to worry, I've got you covered.
-Wayne A. Ernst
vin 11174
"Living the dream!"
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:00:07 -0700
From: WyldKard <wyldkard@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Antenna?
A DeLorean I've been looking at has a problem with the automatic antenna -
it's stuck in the "up" position. I was under the impression, however, that
all DeLoreans had the antenna mounted in the windshield, which caused bad
reception but didn't add any ugly extension to the outside of the car. Did
later model DeLoreans have external antennas on the back of them, or am I
to assume that one of the previous owners of this particular DeLorean had a
new antenna added for better reception?
Thanks.
- Frank
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WyldKard - wyldkard@xxxxxxxxxx
http://mendax.org
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:39:31 -0000
From: DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: 5th gear grind
I can tell you will full confidence that there is no differance
between the OEM clutch master cylinder and the Hard Core version that
P.J. Grady sells when it comes to the amount of pressure that has to
be applied. The improved version is annodized with a stainless steel
sleeve inside to prevent corrosion. A slightly larger bore yes, but
there is no differance. It will actually help. Better then myself to
describe the part is P.J.Grady's web site. Look under HCR parts.
Another thing to note is the rebuilt HCR unit is less expensive then
OEM.
The stainless braided clutch line should be considered nessisary of
any car that will see slightly less then regular road usage up to
daily driving. The problem is that when the plastic line heats up, it
will expand under the pressure of the clutch fluid. This means that
engery (or if you will pressure) is wasted on the expansion of the
line rather then the movement of the clutch plate. This means that
when shifting or coasting with the clutch pedal pushed in, material
is being scrapped off of the clutch plate. That's how clutch life can
be reduced. Yes this can also cause grinding when shifting, but I
don't think that this is related to your issue. If you install the
adjustable clutch link, you will not solve the problem of an
expanding clutch line. All that will happen is the clutch line will
eventually just expand more then before.
If your 5th gear is grinding, I would first adjust the shift linkage,
and grease the linkage from gear selector all the way back to the
transmission first. If that doesn't work, or if you're unsure, you
best bet is to call a DeLorean service center/supplier before going
any further. They will be able to relay test procedures to you, and
they can diagnose you symptoms.
I do feel that owner ingenuity is a vital asset to the DeLorean
community, and should be encouraged. But there also has to be a
standard that the DeLorean has to be held to when it comes to things
such as upgrades and repairs. If you try to bargin your car down when
it comes to the parts that it needs, it car will show it. Like the
saying go's, "You get what you pay for." When owning a classic car,
one of the responsibities of ownership is to take care of your car.
Which does include the purchasing of parts which may be a little
higher then we sometimes like. But once it is done, you will never
have to worry about it again.
-Robert
vin 6585
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, "Michiel Bohmer" <michiel.bohmer@xxxx> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I also have a 5'th gear grind. The strange thing is: It has a new
clutch, a
> metal clutchline, new fluid in clutch operating system and
transmission, no
> leaking cilinders and a longered clutch pedal linkage.
>
> I hear Grady has a modification for the master cilinder...
<SNIP>
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:39:19 EDT
From: senatorpack@xxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: DMC receives TCCOA attention
Interesting to read, and I find it laughable, that so many try to compare
the DeLorean to whatever automobile they own. They compare Atari to IBM,
Mercedes to Chevy, etc., etc.
I'm still waiting for the Gremlin & Pacer Club of America (if there is
such a club) to start their analysis and comparison of the DeLorean.
Recently a well dressed woman in her new Jag XK-8 convertible gave me and
the DeLorean a great compliment. When I explained the features and amenities,
we eventually stated discussing the price of the DeLorean.
She gave the DeLorean such an astute analysis..."I cannot believe that
this car is a 1981. The car (DMC) was 10 years ahead of the market...this is
the car that the Japanese car companies eventually developed into such
markets as Acura & Lexus."
A DeLorean and a Thunderbird/Couger comparison is like comparing
champagne to lemonade.
Sincerely,
Mike Pack
DOA 4743
VIN 3713
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:53:17 -0000
From: DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Antenna?
Nope, DeLorean's did come with the antenna installed in the back.
Well, later one's that is. Since it's a subject that has been
repeated I don't know how many times, I'll avoid the posting the
history of the antenna here. But, it is for the most part a relativly
easy part to access. You can buy an entire new unit, or a replacement
mast to repair. I believe that Darryl Tinnerstet carries the mast in
stock (haven't yet imported my archived e-mails from backup). Mine
failed recently too. But after 20 years, I'd say that's a pretty good
life span.
Another item to check is to make sure that the electrical connections
are all good. If when the radio is turned on and off you hear the
antenna motor activating, then the mast is all that's broken.
-Robert
vin 6585
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, WyldKard <wyldkard@xxxx> wrote:
> A DeLorean I've been looking at has a problem with the automatic
antenna -
> it's stuck in the "up" position. I was under the impression,
however, that
> all DeLoreans had the antenna mounted in the windshield...
<SNIP>
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Message: 19
Date: 11 May 2001 09:47:02 -0000
From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Reminder - DeLorean Eurofest 2001 - Details
We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
DeLorean Eurofest 2001 - Details
Date: Friday, May 25, 2001
Time: All Day
Complete details and registration is available at:
http://www.delorean-owners.org/events/eurofest2001.html
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 23:20:42 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: I recovered my headliners!
Hi everyone...
Once again, I can add a page to my DMC "I did it myself!" book.
I followed the instructions on Ken Montgomery's web site, and got the kit
that he used to recover his headliners. All and all...I spent $60 for the
material and the tools.
Since I only had to redo the center and rear headliner, It took me about 6
hours to do, but....IT LOOKS GREAT!
Thanks Ken for all the help, and I hope to have a page of pictures up on my
site in the next few days.
It is so nice to look out the rear view mirror and not see my interior light
hanging in the way!
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:56:06 -0000
From: jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: auto tranny problems
From your description of the symptoms of your transmission I think you
are correct in assuming a problem with the shift computer. There are a
lot of postings in the archives on how to fix it if you want to try.
It is a safe bet that if you repair or replace it the trans will shift
fine. With 21,000 miles on it you might want to cut open the trans
filter and clean it and check the line pressure. Also make sure the
modulater is working (and not leaking) and the vacuum line to it is
not leaking or kinked. While you are under the car make sure the shift
linkage is properly adjusted also. More than likely you are suffering
the effects of bad (cold) solder joints that are temperature
sensitive. You might also find that the 2 caps are blown.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, "Andrei Cular" <acular1@xxxx> wrote:
> Well after killing my bank account I got my car 99% driveable or so
I
> thought. The now is when the engine and tranny are cold I almost
cant feel
> the shifts and acceleration from a stop is non-existent. After I
drive it
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 04:10:27 -0000
From: jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Marc Goldstone/Automatic transmission computer
I think a simpler explanation of "emf" is to use the analogy of
momentum and inertia. When you suddenly stop (turn off) the electric
(DC) going to a coil (solenoid) the electric is still going (inertia).
When it finally stops it "piles up" and arcs across whatever has a low
breakdown voltage like a capacitor with a low rating. This is a very
simplistic but easy to understand description of events. The idea of
the "fix" is to allow the electric to "bleed off" harmlessly without
damaging anything. In reality the problem is not exactly reverse emf
but the sudden shutdown of the circuit without an allowance for the
release of the "left over" electric which as Walt said was the
magnetic field. Reverse emf is a term applied to the effect observed
more commonly in motors.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, "Walter" <Whalt@xxxx> wrote:
>
> >Is anyone familiar with the theory of reverse EMF occurring on the
computer
> >governor?
>
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