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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Car and Driver TV program
From: senatorpack@xxxxxx
2. RE: 3.0 Eagle motor
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: Delorean for sale on E-bay
From: njp548@xxxxxxx
4. N.Irish Newspaper Article
From: "ian" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. St. Patrick's Day Parades
From: rdh@xxxxxxxx
6. Re: ETDOC Meet --2/25
From: kkoncelik@xxxxxxx
7. Please help me find a car for sale in the NJ Area!!!
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: RE: 3.0 Eagle motor
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
9. DelMarVA DeLorean Owners
From: senatorpack@xxxxxx
10. St. Pat's in Cincinnati
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: Delorean for sale on E-bay
From: jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx
12. Re: RE: 3.0 Eagle motor
From: jus4sho@xxxxxxx
13. Re: Car and Driver TV program
From: thai vu <thaiqvu@xxxxxxxxx>
14. Short-Wave Antenna FS
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
15. Re: RE: 3.0 Eagle motor
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs@xxxxxxxxx>
16. Re: DelMarVA DeLorean Owners
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
17. Craig Radio
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
18. Re: RE: 3.0 Eagle motor
From: wingd2@xxxxxxx
19. Strange Delorean for Sale
From: "dmc" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
20. Where to finance a car
From: "dmc" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
21. Re: RE: 3.0 Eagle motor
From: jus4sho@xxxxxxx
22. Re: Car and Driver TV program
From: "Michael Babb" <michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
23. The First ETDOC meet!
From: Aaron Posey <cadysrme@xxxxxxxxx>
24. Re: Where to finance a car
From: Soma576@xxxxxxx
25. Re: Craig Radio
From: Soma576@xxxxxxx
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:35:10 EST
From: senatorpack@xxxxxx
Subject: Car and Driver TV program
Hello,
Has anyone taped the Car and Driver TV show with the DeLorean?
I am willing to pay for a copy. Please contact me.
Mike
VIN 3713
DOA 4743
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:01:05 -0700
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: 3.0 Eagle motor
Marty - Pacific Rim in Seattle did indeed put an Eagle 3.0 in a DeLorean,
using the DMC lower crankcase, modifying the valve covers to take the stock
A/C pump, and using aftermarket electronic F/I. The car owner is online
here so maybe he will jump in. They are right now in the process of putting
a 3.0 block together with a DMC lower crankcase and DMC heads, so I am told.
I don't know anymore yet, but if anyone can do it, John Lane at Pacific Rim
can. (I provided some of the parts for the first car, and so far a pan
gasket for the latest one).
--
Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
McCleary, WA
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:50:47 EST
From: njp548@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Delorean for sale on E-bay
David,
I don't see the De Lorean you are talking about. Please supply a link
so we all can see it. I tried searching the "completed auctions" and
couldn't find anything.
Later,
Nick
1852
<A HREF="" href="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:10:55 +0800
From: "ian" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: N.Irish Newspaper Article
Hi DMCers,
My parents just sent me a clipping from Ulster's "Sunday Life" newspaper
dated 18Feb.'01. Its a neat full page article on the up-coming DMC Birthday
celibrations in Belfast - the "Eurofest 2001". Its got a large photo of Expo
94 in Williamsburg, VA with about 50 DMCs and proud owners on show!
I can scan and email it if anyone wants a gander.
See y'all in Belfast in May! My DMC needs a good run after 1 1/2 years
storage in N.Ireland.
Cheers, IAN (HongKong)
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:00:24 -0000
From: rdh@xxxxxxxx
Subject: St. Patrick's Day Parades
Many communities around the world celebrate St. Patrick's Day on the
weekends of March 10-11 or 17-18 with parades and festivals. Many
DeLorean owners and enthusiasts participate in such events with "a
bit of wearing of the green in their Irish automobile".
Check out the St. Patrick's Parade listing at:
http://www.delorean-owners.org/events/future.html
If any DeLorean owners are participating in a parade not listed,
please post the details on the DML.
What a way to celebrate in your DeLorean!
Ray Haug, Internet Director
DeLorean Owners Association
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:01:48 EST
From: kkoncelik@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: ETDOC Meet --2/25
I attended the event that Aaron Posey held in Knoxville TN. and after 748
miles driving in one day I did manage to survive. And get to work Monday
morning
The group met and had lunch at a resturaunt on the river then we headed to
Gatlinberg (the long way). We drove in some of the windiest roads around for
4 hours. At the start there were 7 deloreans and my truck and at the end we
were down to three Deloreans and my truck. (The other owners had to leave at
different times. No breakdowns the cars worked very well)
I'll let Aaron post and tell you all about it.
Thanks for a great road trip
For you concourse owners there is now another one to contend with. Aaron has
a car he bought on E-bay that has I think about 1100 miles on it.
I got a close look at the chasis and engine and they are extrememly clean
(before the ralley)
This will be a car to contend with if its prepared right.
Ken
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:32:54 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Please help me find a car for sale in the NJ Area!!!
If you want to stay in the tri-state area, give PJ Grady a call.
From time to time his customers are looking to sell their cars, and he can put
you in contact with them. (This is how I purchased my car).
I believe he is also selling "Restored" DeLoreans now. That may be a good
option if you are looking for a hassle free purchase.
Kevin Abato wrote:
>
> I have looked at over 10 cars now, and still have not found the right one (my biggest mistake was looking at cheap $8-10K cars!) I am willing to spend aroun $18K on a car, but can not find one! If you know of anyone who has one for sale in the NJ, NY, PA area, please let me know!
>
> Car MUST be manual transmission! Not painted, and have black or gray interior.
>
> THanks!
> kevin@xxxxxxxxx
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:48:24 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: RE: 3.0 Eagle motor
I have also been doing a good amount of research about other PRV motors.
With what I have learned so far, I dont understand WHY someone would want to do
this!
Grant it, the Eagle motor is a bit larger (3.0 VS 2.8) and has higher
compression ration (9.3 VS 8.8), when all is said an done the increase of HP
(150 VS 130) in not significant enough to make this conversion. 20HP can be
gained with some simple exhaust modifications to the existing DMC Motor. This
seems like a LOT of work.
DMC Motors can still be had. Although I have not done a exhaustive search to
compare cost of the DeLorean motor VS Eagle, I cant believe this project was
price motivated.
With Darryl's comments below, this becomes even more confusing! Sounds like
they are just rebuilding a DMC motor, and using the 3.0L Eagle block. Again, a
lot of work for a VERY small gain.
Would the owner of this converted car speak up? Maybe there is something I am
missing..
Marc
Darryl Tinnerstet wrote:
>
> Marty - Pacific Rim in Seattle did indeed put an Eagle 3.0 in a DeLorean,
> using the DMC lower crankcase,
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:18:39 EST
From: senatorpack@xxxxxx
Subject: DelMarVA DeLorean Owners
Hello,
I was able to get in touch with a local owner of the Alpine 310 club. We
are going to schedule a joint DeLorean, Alpine and Tucker car event on the
same day.
The Tucker collection is amazing! It includes 3 original Tucker cars and
the original test chassis. Several prototype engines and tons of memorabilia.
Please contact me if you are interested.
Sincerely,
Mike senatorpack AT cs.com
VIN 3713
DOA 4743
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:26:59 -0500
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: St. Pat's in Cincinnati
Dear List,
For all owners in or around the Cincinnati area...we are planning on
participating in the St. Patrick's Day Parade downtown on March the
17th. (Saturday) If you would like to attend, please e-mail me
privately. There is a small fee to enter ($15 per car) but it is more
than worth it. So far we have 5 DeLoreans, Ken Koncelik, Stephen
Liggett, Jack Gambetta, my Father and myself. It should be fun!
Hope to see you there,
Josh
VIN 5102
VIN 15964
jhaldeman(AT)fisherdesign.com
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:01:19 -0000
From: jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Delorean for sale on E-bay
It looks like he closed the auction because he put in the wrong price.
The car is back up on E-bay item #564378687 for $13,500.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757
sorry to get your hopes up. I would have gone all the way up to $100.
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, njp548@xxxx wrote:
> David,
>
> I don't see the De Lorean you are talking about.
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:38:57 EST
From: jus4sho@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: RE: 3.0 Eagle motor
Marc, I'd like to add a little to this 3.0 Eagle motor discussion:
You're right. It's alot of work to go through and not cost effective to do
an entire motor change, including electronics just for 20 HP. This is just
compounded if you have to pay someone to do it. HOWEVER If you are a
die-hard do-it-yourselfer, the swap can be rather appealing. You end up with
essentially a "bolt-in" (not a simple or easy bolt in, but a bolt in none the
less) conversion to a newer, readily available, higher compression, larger
displacement, single serpentine belted, electronically fuel injected motor.
Because of the conversion to electronic fuel injection, I'd rate this in the
moderate to high difficulty and not recommend it for the inexperienced, but
some of us just "gotta do it!" My goal is this: Get some more power out of
the D. Make it a little unique in the engine compartment. Make (keep) it
reliable. And make it something I can maintain. Not that I couldn't
maintain the D's Bosch K-Jetronic system, but I know far less about that than
I do modern EFI systems. If I kept the original motor, I'd have to learn
more about the K-Jet system which would only help me with the D. (And I'm
not planning on becoming a Volvo mechanic) With an EFI motor, what I learn
about EFI can more easily be gained from and applied to other more modern
cars. Also, I think the Eagle motor looks cool. it has a black cover over
the manifold that smoothes things out a bit. (It works with the rest of my
D) : )
Actually I'm just about finished the frame/suspension restoration of Project
Delorean and will be beginning the drivetrain next. I've already purchased
an Eagle Premier (which I drove home) as the "Heart Donor" and will begin
tearing into it soon. I don't have any Eagle motor or engine swap pictures
on the site yet, but I'll get some up soon so stay tuned.
Steve
VIN 2650 ("Project Delorean")
www.angelfire.com/md2/projectdelorean
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:05:55 -0800 (PST)
From: thai vu <thaiqvu@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Car and Driver TV program
Hi List,
It was nice of someoone to mention different TV
programs that are/were showing. If possible, Can you
make an earlier announcement of them, so we have time
to open e-mail and schedule the viewing and/or taping.
Most of the time, when I open the e-mail, the program
is scheduled on that day (while I'm at work) or has
already passed. (Post them a few days before the
scheduled program is great. If we post them on the
same day, chances are we will miss it).
Thanks very much for keeping us informed.
--- senatorpack@xxxxxx wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Has anyone taped the Car and Driver TV show with the
> DeLorean?
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:51:46 -0800
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Short-Wave Antenna FS
Just put a nice one on eBay, stainless mount, mounts to louver.
Les
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:10:43 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: RE: 3.0 Eagle motor
Steve,
You sound like a true car crafter. The Eagle motor has both higher horsepower
and a broader torque curve. You will find your D very enjoyable to drive.
What is nice about the 3 liter swap is that no upgrade to the cooling system is
necessary. An engine/transmission adapter plate, that uses up 1" of space in
the engine compartment, is also unnecessary. This 1" may sound trivial but in
the small D engine bay it is really important.
Take lots of pictures and build a web site. Try to dyno test the car after you
are done. The results will be very interesting.
Bob Brandys
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:16:00 -0500
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DelMarVA DeLorean Owners
Mike,
Sounds like a great show but where in the world are you???
[Moderator Note - DelMarVA = Del Mar Virginia]
----- Original Message -----
From: <senatorpack@xxxxxx>
To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:18 PM
Subject: [DML] DelMarVA DeLorean Owners
>
> Hello,
>
> I was able to get in touch with a local owner of the Alpine 310 club.
We
> are going to schedule a joint DeLorean, Alpine and Tucker car event on the
> same day.
>
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:24:01 -0800
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Craig Radio
Looking for a dead or distressed Craig radio to mess with to see what I
can do with one...does anyone have such an item and are you willing to
part with it and make me a deal?
Thanks, Les
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:36:39 EST
From: wingd2@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: RE: 3.0 Eagle motor
In a message dated 2/26/01 11:22:41 AM Central Standard Time,
malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
<< With what I have learned so far, I don't understand WHY someone would want
to do this!
DMC Motors can still be had. Although I have not done an exhaustive search
to
compare cost of the DeLorean motor VS Eagle, I cant believe this project was
price motivated. >>
Marc,
You are correct, for me, this project was NOT price motivated because,
like you said, it's not cost effective. And you are also correct that going
thru all this work to only go from 130 HP to 150 HP doesn't make much sense
either. There are many other easier ways to obtain HP gains with the Delorean
engine.
I undertook this project simply to gain some knowledge about the
differences between some of the various PRV engine configurations which were
produced. I'd heard stories, as many of us had, about swapping these various
engines and parts and stuff, but it was all speculation from people who had
never actually done it, only talked about it.
Since I had the engines available, I figured the best way to find out
for sure was to tear into things and see what we actually had. Like I said
before, I'm really amazed at the differences between these engines. My
understanding of the original intent with the PRV was to share design basics
and, you would assume, share as many parts as possible for cost
effectiveness. I guess, just like with many projects, things didn't work out
exactly as they originally intended. The designs and parts are similar, but
not interchangeable. I now know this as a fact, because I've had the parts in
my own hands and have been able to make the comparisons. I now know what will
work, what may work, and what won't.
Like we said before, you are correct, there are many more "cost
effective" ways of increasing the HP in the Delorean engine compartment. But
for me, my interest is in staying with the original basis of the PRV engine,
only increasing it's performance level (and I'm not just talking about 20 HP
either). This project has allowed me to look into alternative methods to try
and realize these performance increases. I've gained a lot of information
from working with these engines, all of which is being utilized to build my
"new" PRV engine. We'll just have to wait and see what I end up with :-)
Marty
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:57:07 -0500
From: "dmc" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Strange Delorean for Sale
In my search for my car, I came across two DeLoreans last year, and was
wondering what ever happened to them.
One was for sale by Gull Wing Motors in NY. It had a TV mounted in the
dash! (I have pictures on my web site ....www.abato.net) Just wondering if
anyone here bought it, owned it before, or knew why someone would do this!
The other was for sale in North Jersey by a Ryan S. (forgot his last name)
he wanted $8K for the car, but it was a rusted hunk of metal that was badly
abused. Did someone on the list buy this? If so, how much did you pay, and
how much repair have you put into it?
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:01:18 -0500
From: "dmc" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Where to finance a car
I was looking for places to finance buying my Delorean. I have found only a
place called JJ Best that specializes in Classic Auto Loans. They offer 5
year loans, with 20% down, and 10.99% fixed rate.
Does anyone know of another place?
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:13:33 EST
From: jus4sho@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: RE: 3.0 Eagle motor
Thanks for the words of encouragement Bob. (Sometimes we wonder what we get
ourselves into! LOL) I'll take a bunch of pictures. I can get some of the
Eagle (living heart donor) up this weekend. One thing I regret is that I
never got my D on the road before the restoration/modification so I won't
have a "feel" for the difference with the new motor. Maybe I can arrange a
"test ride trade" sometime. (Memphis? Hmmm)
Steve
In a message dated 2/26/01 6:48:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, oehcs@xxxxxxxxx
writes:
<< Steve,
You sound like a true car crafter. The Eagle motor has both higher
horsepower
and a broader torque curve. You will find your D very enjoyable to drive.
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:29:27 -0500
From: "Michael Babb" <michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Car and Driver TV program
Keep in mind that that we do have the feature of the "Yahoo Groups Calendar"
that we can use to post stuff like upcoming TV spots, car shows, etc.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "thai vu" <thaiqvu@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Car and Driver TV program
> Hi List,
> It was nice of someoone to mention different TV
> programs that are/were showing. If possible, Can you
> make an earlier announcement of them, so we have time
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:17:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Aaron Posey <cadysrme@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: The First ETDOC meet!
Hey everyone!
The turnout for the first ETDOC meet was great! We cannot
wait to plan another meet.
We all gathered at my place of work from 10-11:30am on
Sunday morning. With all the DeLoreans in place, people
started to come in off the street and look at the cars
(some of my customers called me today and asked me if we
started selling them!).
We left in a convoy for the riverfront in Knoxville to the
recently opened Tennessee Grill. Our table had a perfect
view of our cars. We then left the restaurant to go fill
with gas and head out for the trip.
The road that we chose is supposed to be the curviest road
per length in America (319 curves in 11 miles or something
like that). This really gave each of us a chance to see
how are car handles and performed. At the end of the curvy
strecth we stopped in Deal's Gap, NC (pop. 6) for a short
break. While we were there, several bikers stopped to look
at our cars and ask questions.
We then proceded for Cherokee, NC through more curvy,
mountainous roads. IN Cherokee, we stopped for a more pics
of our cars. Ken lined us all up for the shot through all
the open doors with the cars side by side. The pictures
are getting developed!! While we were there, this lady
stops by and asks how long we will be there because she had
to go get her husband! She hurridly leaves and returns
with her husband to take pics! That kinda stuff makes
owning a DeLorean so much fun!!
We appreciate all that showed up. There were 7 DeLorean's
and 13 people- not bad for a first try at this. The
predicted weather wasn't so perfect (T-storms), but it
cleared up at noon and hit around 70 degrees, couldn't
have been better!!
Until Next time-
AARON POSEY
SEAN HOWELY
JOE PALATINUS
ETDOC
East Tennessee DeLorean Owner's Club
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:21:21 EST
From: Soma576@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Where to finance a car
In a message dated 2/26/01 9:10:39 PM Central Standard Time,
delorean@xxxxxxxxx writes:
> I was looking for places to finance buying my Delorean. I have found only a
> place called JJ Best that specializes in Classic Auto Loans. They offer 5
> year loans, with 20% down, and 10.99% fixed rate.
>
>
man, don't even try those places. here's what i did, and many others:
try every single bank and credit union you can find in town until someone
will finance for you. that's all there is to it. every bank has a different
policy with loans for something like this, and eventually you'll find one
that's right. i found a credit union that made me put as much down as i felt
like doing and gave me 9.25% interest on it. they treated it just like any
other car loan. oh yeah, i also had to open an account with them, but i just
keep the minimum balance in my 'savings account'. which is kinda funny
because i had an inquiry with my billing and the lady there looked up my loan
and noticed i have $50 in assets at the bank. she said, 'how did you ever
get this loan approved with only $50 in savings?'. i told them i have more
than one bank, and that surprised her even more for some reason!
the trick is simple. you have to dress well, present yourself well, have
pictures, lots of info on the D you are trying to buy, present printouts of
proof of serviceability, and know the car inside and out. that way they know
you are serious about buying it and you are serious about paying THEM back
(which all they really care about anyway). this is what i did and within
three days i had two places all ready for me to sign the papers. you have to
make them feel like they HAVE to give you the loan!
and get this - i'm a college student with less than $7500 in assets, i'm
living at home, and i work as a manager at a fast food restraurant and i sell
guitars downtown. getting financing for a D was simple once you make the
banks think you can easily handle it.
however, don't be stupid and try to buy a D if you really can't afford it. i
make 3x the money i need to keep my D paid for each month, and i've spent an
average of $300 a month for misc upgrades on the car. i can handle it, but a
lot of my friends couldn't if they wanted to.....
Andy
Soma576@xxxxxxx
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:22:05 EST
From: Soma576@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Craig Radio
In a message dated 2/26/01 9:09:24 PM Central Standard Time,
jhuckins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> Looking for a dead or distressed Craig radio to mess with to see what I
> can do with one...does anyone have such an item and are you willing to
> part with it and make me a deal?
>
>
Les,
i was just on Ebay and i believe i saw one there. check it out!
Andy
Soma576@xxxxxxx
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102
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