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There are 22 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Frequency valve
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
2. The Hippy Hippy Shake?!
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway@xxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: Re: Protecting your D...
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. Re: Fuel Injector flex lines
From: "jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx " <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
5. met you at Vegas show/ralley
From: WtrResQ@xxxxxxx
6. Re: Fuel Injector flex lines
From: Mike Hirko <mikehirko@xxxxxxx>
7. Re: Thingamabobs and Dohickeys
From: Mike Hirko <mikehirko@xxxxxxx>
8. VEGAS
From: ROBLAMROCK@xxxxxxx
9. Re: New owner
From: rbrogren@xxxxxxx
10. Re: Re: Auto. Trans Problem
From: dmcdelorean2@xxxxxxx
11. Protecting your D look!!!
From: efren hicks <marty_mcflyJr@xxxxxxxxx>
12. Re: The Hippy Hippy Shake?!
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
13. RE: The Hippy Hippy Shake?!
From: nheywo - Nick Heywood <nick.heywood@xxxxxxxxxx>
14. Re: The Hippy Hippy Shake?!
From: DLoff80@xxxxxxx
15. Re: Protecting your D look!!!
From: "John Dore" <dmcjohn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
16. Re: Fuel Injector flex lines
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
17. Don't forget AOL chat!
From: RJRavalli@xxxxxxx
18. Re: Re: Protecting your D look!!!
From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
19. Re: New owner
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10@xxxxxxx>
20. Re: Re: Protecting your D look!!!
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
21. De Lorean Listining stick
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10@xxxxxxx>
22. Re: Re: Protecting your D look!!!
From: njp548@xxxxxxx
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 01:23:47 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Frequency valve
I agree with John Hervey on this one. You really need an oscilloscope to
see what is going on. The signal going from the ECU to the frequency valve
is a square wave signal oscillating at 70 Hertz. (Switching on and off 70
times a second). The first thing to check for is if the signal is present.
A very cheap and effective way to do that is to listen for the frequency
valve buzzing. It sounds like a noisy fluorescent light fixture only
slightly higher pitched (70 Hertz instead of 50 or 60 Hertz depending on
which part of the planet you are on.) If you are in doubt as to whether or
not you hear it while the engine is running, get a very long handle screw
driver and hold the tip against the valve and put the handle against your
ear. The sound is unmistakable. If you don't hear that sound, then you
know you've got problems. If you do hear the sound and you are still
wondering if the Lambda ECU is properly adjusting the duty cycle of the
signal to the frequency valve, then you need a scope or a dwell meter. A
typical Volt-Ohm-Amp meter won't do this trick.
I've said too much! :)
Walt Tampa, FL
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:16:59 GMT
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: The Hippy Hippy Shake?!
I have noticed that my DeLoreans' steering wheel tends to shake and vibrate
when I use the brakes. I've also noticed that the car does go straight
forward when the brakes are applied, it does not tend to pull to either the
left or right side. I suppose this shaking/vibrating isn't normal so what
can be done to correct this? Is this condition dangerous in any way? Do I
need a new steering rack? The car has only 12,800 miles on it.
Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway
VIN # 06759
(Hey, does anyone want a milkshake? ;) )
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:51:06 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Protecting your D...
In addition to the other issues, DeLoreans are just about the worst
getaway cars in the world. Everyone notices DeLoreans, and everyone
remembers seeing them go by.
Consider the large number of "I saw a DeLorean Eastbound on Highway X
last Thursday at 4:07 PM" posts we DML readers see. It is difficult for
a real car thief to blend in and disappear in such a car.
In my opinion, DeLoreans are much more likely to be targets of 14 year
old joyriders who plan on abandoning the car after they are done with it.
- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7years
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:34:11 -0000
From: "jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx " <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fuel Injector flex lines
You are correct in that once the lines are filled with fuel whatever
goes in comes out in equal volume. Remember not all of the origional
lines are of equal length anyway. What you should be more concerned
about in changing the lines is that the fuel is under high pressure
and any leak will turn into a blowtorch. If you replace the lines or
fittings you MUST use the correct materiels (compatible with fuel) and
fittings capable of operating under the temperatures and pressures
which the origional parts were capable of. Anything less and if the
worst were to happen it is possible the insurance company won't pay.
This is another example of "if it ain't broke don't fix it".The hoses
of the fuel system are not prone to failure, the worst that can happen
to them short of a fire is that they can get dirty inside from dirty
fuel. If you want to "dress up" your engine just put some kind of
covering over the hoses.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757
--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx, "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi@xxxx> wrote:
> My friend and I were discussing the DeLorean fuel injection system
today and we came up with an issue that I am curious about whether or
not our conclusion was correct. The question is: If I were to
replace my fuel lines supplying the injectors and installed the wrong
hose size (larger inside diameter than stock), would this effect the
operation of the system in any way?
>
> Our conclusion was that no matter what the size of the tube, as the
fuel in added by the fuel distributor, the amount exiting should be
the same as stock. In other words, the fuel line is only a reservoir
for "holding" the fuel as it is moved to the injector.
>
> Sean Howley
> VIN#2345
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:26:10 EST
From: WtrResQ@xxxxxxx
Subject: met you at Vegas show/ralley
my apologies for using the list to find someone....
I met a man and his wife at the Vegas show but forgot your names and we lost
each other before trading email addresses. I recall that you and your wife
had just purchased your car within the past 2 weeks and it was still in
Texas(?). and, that you work for Chevron and your wife for MGM. Please
email me privately. thx
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:48:59 -0800
From: Mike Hirko <mikehirko@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fuel Injector flex lines
Sean Howley wrote:
> My friend and I were discussing the DeLorean fuel injection system today and we came up with an issue that I am curious about whether or not our conclusion was correct. The question is: If I were to replace my fuel lines supplying the injectors and installed the wrong hose size (larger inside diameter than stock), would this effect the operation of the system in any way?
NO. As we all supposedly learned in high school, pressure exerted upon an enclosed liquid is transmitted undiminished throughout the enclosed liquid. The question becomes, then, one of the volume. Your larger capacity inside diameter hose would supply the same pressure as the correct size hose, and have the "capacity" to supply more volume. The volume (amount of fuel
delivered) is controlled by the injectors, at the delivery point, and thus would remain as stock.
> Our conclusion was that no matter what the size of the tube, as the fuel in added by the fuel distributor, the amount exiting should be the same as stock. In other words, the fuel line is only a reservoir for "holding" the fuel as it is moved to the injector.
>
WRONG! If the hose is SMALLER in diameter, it COULD restrict the volume of fuel delivered to the injectors, depending upon the capacity of the fuel pump/distributor to keep up. I say COULD, not necessarily WOULD.
Larger SHOULD pose no problem (other than potential leaking at fittings, chafing, etc). Smaller COULD pose fuel delivery volume problems (and potential splitting at fittings, etc). Also, if the restriction is sufficient enough, loss of flow volume could be compounded by a corresponding loss in pressure.
Mike Hirko
Kelso WA
VIN 1387
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:57:22 -0800
From: Mike Hirko <mikehirko@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Thingamabobs and Dohickeys
James Espey wrote:
<snip> After some troubleshooting and further investigation, we diagnosed the
ROOT of the problem and corrected it properly. He still has the Lockzilla, but
doesn't need to reset the circuit breaker at all anymore. <snip>
James,
Why don't you please tell the rest of us what the ROOT was? I, for one,
would certainly appreciate knowing.
Mike Hirko
Kelso WA
VIN 1387
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:14:37 EST
From: ROBLAMROCK@xxxxxxx
Subject: VEGAS
In a message dated 07-Nov-00 7:53:02 PM GMT Standard Time,
msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> I have heard a lot of great
> things about Las Vegas. Please post to the DML about how much fun you
have.
Had a ball in Vegas at the weekend. Great to meet Ken Koncelik and Ken
Montgomery for the first time, not to mention meeting many friends in the
DeLorean Owners Association again. Many of the attendees intend coming to
Belfast for the Eurofest next year. (May 24th thru May 27th). Currently
under discussion with the Dutch, German and Swedish Clubs about their
participation at the event. (Many other countries already confirmed).
Registration begins on 1st January 2001. Some tourist details can be found
at: www.gotobelfast.com.
Best wishes,
Robert Lamrock
Organiser
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:47:57 EST
From: rbrogren@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: New owner
Thank you to all that answered, both here and via e-mail!
Sorry about the omissions, my first more detailed posting disappeared into
cyberspace and when rewriting it I omitted some information!
To DMC Joe:
- Torsion bar; thanks, I'll replace it.
- Starter modification; how do I determine if the started has been upgraded
with the mod? The starter is marked PARIS RHONE D10E59, 12V <--CO, Made in
France.
- Heat shield in this case is the one between the muffler and the engine. The
shield is about 23 inches wide and 8 high. It covers the crank and alternator
pulleys, but not the water pump, idlers or A/C pulleys.
(Previous owner had to replace bushings/seals on some of the pulleys,
presumably because of the radiated heat from the muffler.)
To Knut:
No apologies needed! I agree 100% with getting to the root of the problem
rather than wholesale part swapping and I will tackle the possible problem
that way.
The reason for my quesion was based on the many relay problems I have read
about here. If the original components are inherently unreliable or prone to
age related malfunctions and if better components are available, I thought it
may be better to replace them all at the same time.
It may appear that I am advocating a "shotgun technique", but that is really
not the case. Please remember that I have less than a week of ownership and
at this time I am trying to put together a plan of action to assure that the
right areas are tackled in a logical sequence, i.e., the sequence you
recommend. IF I find something wrong I want to correct it with an improved
component, if one is available. (Refer to John Harvey's comments about the
relays in the same post.)
To John Harvey:
My alternator is marked Valeo 3939830, 98R2938T, 14V, 90 A. It looks a bit
dinky for a 90 Amp alternator if it is of the original vintage! If in fact
this alternator is too weak for the application it would seem logical to
replace it.
Your comments make sense and although any modifications from original would
be detrimental from a concourse standpoint I think I am more interested in
making the car more reliable as I move along.
Thanks again to all, your help is greatly appreciated!
BTW: Someone posted a switch fix using a spring from a Bic pen. My engine
compartment switch didn't work, the spring was missing and the Bic spring did
the job! Small item but big help. Thanks!
Roger
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:57:56 EST
From: dmcdelorean2@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: Auto. Trans Problem
I adjusted the modulater and now I have 3 bars of pressure in neutral and 5
bars of pressure in drive. It still slips. Does anyone have a chart of how
the fluid pressure is supposed be.
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:21:24 -0800 (PST)
From: efren hicks <marty_mcflyJr@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Protecting your D look!!!
hey walter
the club is a very bad idea for all members to use
as a "protection device" do u know how easy it is to
steal a car with a club all u have to do is bring a
saw and cut the leather (takes less than 15
seconds)steering wheel take the club off mess with
the ignition and the car is gone i recommend u get
that new lock that goes on your pedals i dont know if
u have heard about it . its the best one ive seen i
should know i live in eas los angeles i see car get
jacked all the time
efren
16072
--- Walter <Whalt@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Richard,
>
> This has been discussed a few weeks ago on the DML.
> The quote that I like
> best was from someone who said something to the
> effect of, "Have you seen a
> Delorean? Yeah, it went that way." These cars are
> not anything that you
> can go around town in and not be noticed. I had a
> guy stop me by the door
> of a restaurant that I frequent asking me if I was
> the guy with the
> Delorean. And I didn't even drive the Delorean that
> day!
>
> I think that it would be a cool idea at future
> Delorean shows to have a
> video camera filming people getting in and out of
> their cars. We could have
> contests to see who looks the coolest while doing
> this. So many people
> watch me open & close those doors that I sometimes
> feel self conscious. (Is
> my hair straight, is my fly open, do my socks
> match?). It's almost like
> waving a big stainless steel flag every time you
> open a door.
>
> I would think that if anyone stole a Delorean, they
> would have to be very
> familiar with what they are getting into. I've
> watched passengers get in
> and out of mine. It's rather funny watching them
> try to figure out how to
> open the door from the inside. If the average
> person has trouble figuring
> out how to get in and out of the car, I can imagine
> the trouble that some
> idiot would have trying to steel one. And if he got
> away with it, someone
> somewhere would recognize the car or even parts from
> the car. I can
> describe just about every little imperfection in the
> body of mine.
>
> About using a club... I don't normally put one on my
> Delorean because I've
> used one (the Club brand) on another car with a
> leather steering wheel, and
> it damaged the leather on the wheel. Somehow the
> vinyl or plastic or
> whatever the stuff is has managed to scuff the
> leather. I'm not sure how it
> did this, but it has done it in several places. I
> think it has something to
> do with the rubbery club parts sticking to the
> leather and then having the
> hot sun and gravity pull the club down once it has
> gripped the leather.
> Before I put a club on my D again, I'm going to
> cover the rubber pieces with
> a felt sleeve.
>
> Walt Tampa, FL
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:49:58 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: The Hippy Hippy Shake?!
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Stian Birkeland wrote:
> I have noticed that my DeLoreans' steering wheel tends to shake and
> vibrate when I use the brakes. I've also noticed that the car does go
> straight forward when the brakes are applied, it does not tend to pull
You probably have a warped brake rotor. Common causes of rotor death are
improperly torqued lugs, getting water on hot brakes, or (rarely) getting
the brakes really hot and then holding the brakes.
The best thing to do is to take the brake rotors off, take them to a shop
and have them turn them. If they are not warped too badly, they can be
repaired. Otherwise you will have to get a new rotor.
I personally don't recommend taking the whole car to a brake shop. They
are likely to fix the warped rotor, put a new one on and then torque the
lugs with an impact wrench and warp the rotors again. :}
> dangerous in any way? Do I need a new steering rack? The car has only
> 12,800 miles on it.
Your steering rack is probably OK, however, it would be a good place to
look if the brake rotors don't pan out.
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:57:15 +1100
From: nheywo - Nick Heywood <nick.heywood@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: The Hippy Hippy Shake?!
Stian wrote:
>I suppose this shaking/vibrating isn't normal so what
>can be done to correct this? Is this condition dangerous in any way? Do I
>need a new steering rack?
Last time I experienced this, it was on my old '68 MGB GT, but it was only a
problem when braking from over 40mph or so. First diagnosis (mine) was
warped front discs, which I replaced... whilst carrying out this repair, I
noticed that the front suspension was actually very loosely connected to the
chassis by a couple of rusty old bolts!! The whole suspension unit swung
about an inch from side to side when I jacked the car up. Needless to say,
these were replaced pretty quickly, and after that, no further problems...!!
>(Hey, does anyone want a milkshake? ;) )
Banana, please!
Nick - VIN someday *sigh*
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:56:11 EST
From: DLoff80@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: The Hippy Hippy Shake?!
Have your brakes checked....that fixed my car a year or two ago.
Good Luck
Dave Loffler
Johnston, RI
VIN- In the future
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:06:02 -0000
From: "John Dore" <dmcjohn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Protecting your D look!!!
The name of the product Efren is referring to is Auto-Lock. Tehy
don't supply for Audi, Volkswagen or Porsche, they mention nothing
about DeLorean.
Here's the website:
Best Wishes,
John Dore, Ireland.
www.dmcjohn.com
--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx, efren hicks <marty_mcflyJr@xxxx> wrote:
> hey walter
>
> the club is a very bad idea for all members to use
> as a "protection device" do u know how easy it is to
> steal a car with a club all u have to do is bring a
> saw and cut the leather (takes less than 15
> seconds)steering wheel take the club off mess with
> the ignition and the car is gone i recommend u get
> that new lock that goes on your pedals i dont know if
> u have heard about it . its the best one ive seen i
> should know i live in eas los angeles i see car get
> jacked all the time
>
> efren
>
> 16072
> --- Walter <Whalt@xxxx> wrote:
> > Richard,
> >
> > This has been discussed a few weeks ago on the DML.
> > The quote that I like
> > best was from someone who said something to the
> > effect of, "Have you seen a
> > Delorean? Yeah, it went that way." These cars are
> > not anything that you
> > can go around town in and not be noticed. I had a
> > guy stop me by the door
> > of a restaurant that I frequent asking me if I was
> > the guy with the
> > Delorean. And I didn't even drive the Delorean that
> > day!
> >
> > I think that it would be a cool idea at future
> > Delorean shows to have a
> > video camera filming people getting in and out of
> > their cars. We could have
> > contests to see who looks the coolest while doing
> > this. So many people
> > watch me open & close those doors that I sometimes
> > feel self conscious. (Is
> > my hair straight, is my fly open, do my socks
> > match?). It's almost like
> > waving a big stainless steel flag every time you
> > open a door.
> >
> > I would think that if anyone stole a Delorean, they
> > would have to be very
> > familiar with what they are getting into. I've
> > watched passengers get in
> > and out of mine. It's rather funny watching them
> > try to figure out how to
> > open the door from the inside. If the average
> > person has trouble figuring
> > out how to get in and out of the car, I can imagine
> > the trouble that some
> > idiot would have trying to steel one. And if he got
> > away with it, someone
> > somewhere would recognize the car or even parts from
> > the car. I can
> > describe just about every little imperfection in the
> > body of mine.
> >
> > About using a club... I don't normally put one on my
> > Delorean because I've
> > used one (the Club brand) on another car with a
> > leather steering wheel, and
> > it damaged the leather on the wheel. Somehow the
> > vinyl or plastic or
> > whatever the stuff is has managed to scuff the
> > leather. I'm not sure how it
> > did this, but it has done it in several places. I
> > think it has something to
> > do with the rubbery club parts sticking to the
> > leather and then having the
> > hot sun and gravity pull the club down once it has
> > gripped the leather.
> > Before I put a club on my D again, I'm going to
> > cover the rubber pieces with
> > a felt sleeve.
> >
> > Walt Tampa, FL
> >
> >
> >
> > Before posting messages or replies, see the posting
> > policy rules at:
> > www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
> >
> > To address comments privately to the moderating
> > team, please address:
> > moderator@xxxx
> >
>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:08:38 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fuel Injector flex lines
Sean,
You are correct; a fuel line size that is larger than stock should not
effect fuel system operation.
"We're here to help you"
DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp@xxxxxxx>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Howley <tsuyoi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: DMC News <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 9:45 PM
Subject: [DML] Fuel Injector flex lines
> My friend and I were discussing the DeLorean fuel injection system today
and we came up with an issue that I am curious about whether or not our
conclusion was correct. The question is: If I were to replace my fuel
lines supplying the injectors and installed the wrong hose size (larger
inside diameter than stock), would this effect the operation of the system
in any way?
>
> Our conclusion was that no matter what the size of the tube, as the fuel
in added by the fuel distributor, the amount exiting should be the same as
stock. In other words, the fuel line is only a reservoir for "holding" the
fuel as it is moved to the injector.
>
> Sean Howley
> VIN#2345
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:30:49 EST
From: RJRavalli@xxxxxxx
Subject: Don't forget AOL chat!
For all AOL members who would still like to take part in the chat
we have been trying to do for the past two weeks, don't forget about
joining in. It will be this WEDNESDAY evening (tomorrow) at 5:00 pm
Pacific Time, 8 pm eastern, in the Special Interests catagory. It
will be titled "DeLorean Chat." Last week only myself and Iznomad (Darren)
showed up, so we would like to get more AOL DeLorean owners/enthusiasts there
this week.
We'll be there till everyone leaves! Check it out if you can,
Richard
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:50:45 -0600
From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Protecting your D look!!!
I don't know about the automatic, but I doubt it will work properly. I know
the product won't work with the standard tranny because there is no
starter-tranny interlock doohickey.
You know, the starter will engage whether the tranny is in neutral or clutch
depressed or not.
The pedal lock depends on the starter to not work unless the clutch is
depressed; thus by locking the clutch up it could not be started. Not true
with my DMC12. Unless someone knows how to put an intertie in....
With an automatic, the pedal lock assumes that you can't shift into gear
unless the brake is fully pressed. Is that true with our 19 year old cars?
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Dore" <dmcjohn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:06 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: Protecting your D look!!!
> The name of the product Efren is referring to is Auto-Lock. Tehy
> don't supply for Audi, Volkswagen or Porsche, they mention nothing
> about DeLorean.
> Here's the website:
>
> http://www.lawmancorp.com/
>
> Best Wishes,
> John Dore, Ireland.
> www.dmcjohn.com
>
> --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx, efren hicks <marty_mcflyJr@xxxx> wrote:
> > hey walter
> >
> > the club is a very bad idea for all members to use
> > as a "protection device" do u know how easy it is to
> > steal a car with a club all u have to do is bring a
> > saw and cut the leather (takes less than 15
> > seconds)steering wheel take the club off mess with
> > the ignition and the car is gone i recommend u get
> > that new lock that goes on your pedals i dont know if
> > u have heard about it . its the best one ive seen i
> > should know i live in eas los angeles i see car get
> > jacked all the time
> >
> > efren
> >
> > 16072
> > --- Walter <Whalt@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Richard,
> > >
> > > This has been discussed a few weeks ago on the DML.
> > > The quote that I like
> > > best was from someone who said something to the
> > > effect of, "Have you seen a
> > > Delorean? Yeah, it went that way." These cars are
> > > not anything that you
> > > can go around town in and not be noticed. I had a
> > > guy stop me by the door
> > > of a restaurant that I frequent asking me if I was
> > > the guy with the
> > > Delorean. And I didn't even drive the Delorean that
> > > day!
> > >
> > > I think that it would be a cool idea at future
> > > Delorean shows to have a
> > > video camera filming people getting in and out of
> > > their cars. We could have
> > > contests to see who looks the coolest while doing
> > > this. So many people
> > > watch me open & close those doors that I sometimes
> > > feel self conscious. (Is
> > > my hair straight, is my fly open, do my socks
> > > match?). It's almost like
> > > waving a big stainless steel flag every time you
> > > open a door.
> > >
> > > I would think that if anyone stole a Delorean, they
> > > would have to be very
> > > familiar with what they are getting into. I've
> > > watched passengers get in
> > > and out of mine. It's rather funny watching them
> > > try to figure out how to
> > > open the door from the inside. If the average
> > > person has trouble figuring
> > > out how to get in and out of the car, I can imagine
> > > the trouble that some
> > > idiot would have trying to steel one. And if he got
> > > away with it, someone
> > > somewhere would recognize the car or even parts from
> > > the car. I can
> > > describe just about every little imperfection in the
> > > body of mine.
> > >
> > > About using a club... I don't normally put one on my
> > > Delorean because I've
> > > used one (the Club brand) on another car with a
> > > leather steering wheel, and
> > > it damaged the leather on the wheel. Somehow the
> > > vinyl or plastic or
> > > whatever the stuff is has managed to scuff the
> > > leather. I'm not sure how it
> > > did this, but it has done it in several places. I
> > > think it has something to
> > > do with the rubbery club parts sticking to the
> > > leather and then having the
> > > hot sun and gravity pull the club down once it has
> > > gripped the leather.
> > > Before I put a club on my D again, I'm going to
> > > cover the rubber pieces with
> > > a felt sleeve.
> > >
> > > Walt Tampa, FL
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 03:26:06 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: New owner
Robert,
I have very detailed info on what to look for and what to do.
Normally if the starter clicks but won't start or turn over, the mod
needs to be made. If you have a fax number you can email me privatly
I will fax the detail instructions. I can also fax relay info as
well.
John Hervey
--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx, rbrogren@xxxx wrote:
> Thank you to all that answered, both here and via e-mail!
> Sorry about the omissions, my first more detailed posting
disappeared into
> cyberspace and when rewriting it I omitted some information!
>
> To DMC Joe:
> - Torsion bar; thanks, I'll replace it.
> - Starter modification; how do I determine if the started has been
upgraded
> with the mod? The starter is marked PARIS RHONE D10E59, 12V <--CO,
Made in
> France.
> - Heat shield in this case is the one between the muffler and the
engine. The
> shield is about 23 inches wide and 8 high. It covers the crank and
alternator
> pulleys, but not the water pump, idlers or A/C pulleys.
> (Previous owner had to replace bushings/seals on some of the
pulleys,
> presumably because of the radiated heat from the muffler.)
>
> To Knut:
> No apologies needed! I agree 100% with getting to the root of the
problem
> rather than wholesale part swapping and I will tackle the possible
problem
> that way.
> The reason for my quesion was based on the many relay problems I
have read
> about here. If the original components are inherently unreliable or
prone to
> age related malfunctions and if better components are available, I
thought it
> may be better to replace them all at the same time.
> It may appear that I am advocating a "shotgun technique", but that
is really
> not the case. Please remember that I have less than a week of
ownership and
> at this time I am trying to put together a plan of action to assure
that the
> right areas are tackled in a logical sequence, i.e., the sequence
you
> recommend. IF I find something wrong I want to correct it with an
improved
> component, if one is available. (Refer to John Harvey's comments
about the
> relays in the same post.)
>
> To John Harvey:
> My alternator is marked Valeo 3939830, 98R2938T, 14V, 90 A. It
looks a bit
> dinky for a 90 Amp alternator if it is of the original vintage! If
in fact
> this alternator is too weak for the application it would seem
logical to
> replace it.
> Your comments make sense and although any modifications from
original would
> be detrimental from a concourse standpoint I think I am more
interested in
> making the car more reliable as I move along.
>
> Thanks again to all, your help is greatly appreciated!
>
> BTW: Someone posted a switch fix using a spring from a Bic pen. My
engine
> compartment switch didn't work, the spring was missing and the Bic
spring did
> the job! Small item but big help. Thanks!
>
> Roger
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:30:42 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Protecting your D look!!!
I think that if anyone were serious about stealing a Delorean, they would
just quietly back up with a roll-back trailer and tow the thing away with a
cover over it. I've had the thought go through my mind about installing a
'Lever-Lock' (tm). Once installed, you press the brakes all the way down
and then flip this lever. It stops the brake fluid from coming back into
the master cylinder until the lever is flipped back again. I installed one
on an old motor home years ago because the parking brake on it was of poor
design. One of these systems installed on the Delorean would lock all 4
wheels. I don't think anyone would tow one very far with that installed.
Does anyone recommend Lo-jack?
Walt Tampa, FL
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 03:44:23 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10@xxxxxxx>
Subject: De Lorean Listining stick
Walt and Group
I have talked about listening to what the car is saying thru sounds.
I don't know how many know about the Listening Stick. Cut a broom
handle to a 3' length and on the flat end put a 2" square of thin
plywood and attach with one nail in the middle. You now have a
listening stick. With the car running, put the end with the flat
plywood to your ear and the other end to what you want to hear.
You will be amazed at what you will hear. With this you can hear the
FQ valve change frequency w/o having to see it. You can hear bearings
make noise, relays clicking on and off, water pump bearings and so
on.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:46:47 EST
From: njp548@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: Protecting your D look!!!
Kevin and List,
I have countless nights awake watching all those different kinds of
infomercials, and I have seen the one for the Unbeatable Auto-Lock that you
are talking about. They say that it works great with the clutch pedal. If
you can't depress the clutch pedal how are u going to be able to drive the
car properly? Also the way it works on automatic cars, is that it doesn't
depend on the starter-tranny interlock switch, the way it works is that you
can't shift into any gears without depressing the brake pedal (the way they
proved that was they had a car running when they tried to get a couple
"ex-thiefs" to steal it). I think its a pretty good product. The acting was
a little cheesy (when they had two "ex-car thiefs" try to rob that car with
the Unbeatable Auto-Lock on it) but over all looks like a good product. If I
had my car together where it would need to be protected, I would probably buy
it.
Later,
Nick
1852
Http://members.aol.com/njp548
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