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There are 24 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Any recommendations on a Service Facility
From: "Michael D'Auria" <mikeydmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: Any recommendations on a Service Facility
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: DMC Bluebook
From: <mikeatk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. DOA Website Friendly to Ken's Show
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: Gull wings/saftey issue
From: <sean333@xxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: Gull wings/saftey issue
From: senatorpack@xxxxxx
7. Final Feedback...
From: "Nathan E. Green" <gzen21@xxxxxxxxxx>
8. Interior part wanted
From: Delorean17@xxxxxxx
9. Re: Interior part wanted
From: cwirz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
10. No door keys
From: <sean333@xxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: grinding power window
From: <sean333@xxxxxxxxx>
12. Re: one for the books
From: "Fr@nk Lommen" <j.m.s.c.lommen@xxxxxxxxx>
13. Re: DOA Website Friendly to Ken's Show
From: abatt10347@xxxxxxx
14. Re: Broken Shift Linkage
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
15. Re: Broken Shift Linkage
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
16. Re: Broken Shift Linkage
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
17. Bodged wiring (surprise!)
From: "Daniel Willis" <danielpwillis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
18. Re: grinding power window
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
19. parts trade
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502@xxxxxxxxxx>
20. Re: grinding power window
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
21. Re: Re: DOA Website Friendly to Ken's Show
From: lovdmc12@xxxxxxx
22. Re: DOA Website Friendly to Ken's Show
From: senatorpack@xxxxxx
23. De Lorean One online store...
From: njp548@xxxxxxx
24. Re: Re: grinding power window
From: "Michael D'Auria" <mikeydmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:49:45 -0400
From: "Michael D'Auria" <mikeydmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Any recommendations on a Service Facility
Dave,
www.dmcnews.com has a PDF file with recommended D service shops. Take a
look there,
-Mikey D
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From: <aabclafon@xxxxxxx>
To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Any recommendations on a Service Facility
> I have owned my Delorean for about 4 months now. I have not had any
> major problems. I am not a mechanic, so I need so advice on where to get
> decent service. I live in Indianapolis, Indiana. Not usre if there are
any
> other
> Delorean owners in this area. I would like to get my Delorean fully
check
> out
> to see what it needs. Any ideas???
>
> Thank you
> Dave L.
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:07:04 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Any recommendations on a Service Facility
Dave L. in Indianapolis is looking for someone to check out his DeLorean.
Dave, you best bet might be Dave Bauerle in Radnor, Ohio, just outside
Columbus. He is a first class DeLorean specialist a little more than a three
hour drive from you.
Info is available at the DOA website:
http://www.delorean-owners.org/
Click on "Marketplace," then "DeLorean Service and Parts."
You can also go to the DMC News "Downloadable files" page and get the list of
DML recommended repair facilities.
http://www.dmcnews.com/files.html
- Mike Substelny
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:21:23 -0700
From: <mikeatk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DMC Bluebook
Ed, just curious. Did you have your car professionally appraised? If so,
who did you use and what did it cost.
Thanks
Mike Atkinson
vin16232
mikeatk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
"Now that you have these values you must be wondering what or who
determines any given car to be "low", "average", or "high". There
are professional appraisers that do just that for a fee. So now
you know that my DeLorean ("High Retail")"
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:33:39 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DOA Website Friendly to Ken's Show
I do not know when this happened, but the DOA website now features links
to Ken Koncelik's DeLorean Car Show website. This includes the "All
DeLoreans Meet in Cleveland" gif emblem. To top it off, they have added
a very flattering paragraph about the Cleveland show which encourages
users to visit Ken's site and see the pictures of the show.
To see these things, go to the DOA website:
http://www.delorean-owners.org/
Then click on "Marketplace." Alternatively, you can find the same
information by going straight to the DOA's DeLorean Store. They have
given users the ability to skip the rest of the DOA site, which is
another new development for them:
- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:10:56 -0400
From: <sean333@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Gull wings/saftey issue
That's what seemed to happen a lot in the crash test videos I have. In the
slow motion film of the head-on crash tests, one of the first things you see
after the front of the car begins to crumple is both doors fly up. Of course
these were prototypes and design changes in the production versions are
quite possible. That is why they do crash tests after all.
The main safety issue with the doors is if you end up upside down in an
accident. Doors won't open, and windows are to small to serve as exits.
You're best option in this senario is to kickout the windshield. Luckly, the
DeLorean has a very low center of gravity and is unlikely to roll over.
> Yeah, the Marzal was a one off show car. As a point of interest, the doors
> were hinged at the very outer edges of the body,not near the centre like
the
> D..... so they were completey impractical. And they were glass filled, so
> not very safe, either.
>
> Just HOW safe are D doors in an acident? I have this (probably unfounded)
> vision of them lipping up into the air on impact... anyone unlucky enough
to
> give me details?
>
> Thanks,
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 06:26:29 EDT
From: senatorpack@xxxxxx
Subject: Re: Gull wings/saftey issue
Dear dml,
The DeLorean was designed as a safety car, and is one of the world's
safest automobiles. It was intended for the Mercedes Benz, Acura, Infiniti,
Lexus, & Jaguar crowd. These particular machines have a panache for style and
grace, however they have an extremely safe and well made.
The DeLorean was 15 years ahead of the level that it took Lexus/Toyota,
Infiniti/Nissan, and Acura/Honda to attain in terms of perceived value,
status, and quality. The educated consumer knew that these automobiles were
some of the finest examples of quality and safety. This is true with the
DeLorean as well. In my opinion the automotive press was way too concerned
with drag strip performance and unrealistic comparison to the corvette. The
DeLorean had evolved too far ahead of the 78-82 corvette in terms of a buyer
wanting a more luxurious and prestigious automobile, but this is another
story.
In addition, Allstate Insurance Inc. contributed to the research and
development of the Elastic Reservoir Molding (ERM) process for the DeLorean.
However the technology to develop ERM was a substantial cost to DMC so Lotus
changed DeLorean's mind about using it in a production automobile. The
Variable Assisted Resin Injection (VARI) process used in the Lotus Esprit
outerbody and DeLorean underbody, incorporate stiffening areas filled with
beams of foam. The foam used is extremely hard to crush and provides
excellent protection via front, side, and rear impact.
Additionally, The United States Federal Government contracted AMF and
Fairchild to build the experimental US safety car, and it had gullwing doors.
John DeLorean touted the gullwings in the DeLorean automobile much safer than
a conventional car because the higher door sill protected the driver in a
side impact collision.
Keep in mind that until the late 1990s automobile manufactures offered
side impact collision airbags as standard features. So it is "safe" to say
that the DeLorean is a very safe car.
There are two films that I was able to locate from NHTSA about 5 years
ago. The films show the production DeLorean in a closing barrier impact speed
of 35 and 40 mph. The car did well considering the impact speed was 70 and 80
mph. (35x2 = 70, 40x2 =80mph) The problem area was the fuel pump boot. The
pump broke free from the boot, spilling small amounts of fuel into the
passenger compartment. This was NHTSA only viable complaint.
Michael
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:19:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Nathan E. Green" <gzen21@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Final Feedback...
Hi folks--
Regarding the trip back from PA(I know I sent a LONG post before) ~750mi,
no problem. I am sure that the ticking sound is a valve problem, not a
leaking gasket. Hopefully that will be fixed this weekend...I am going to IL
DMV tomorrow to transfer the PA title to IL and get plates. I do plan to get
a personalized plate...not sure what yet, although I have a couple ideas in
mind...:) Wish me luck.
Insurance...USAA finally came thru. Intially, they had disapproved
insurance on the DElorean. I insisted and eventually talked to the head of
underwriters for the company. I now have full coverage on the Delorean for a
reasonable rate. Yes.
Well, that is all. Geez, that is the shortest post I've had yet.
Nathan E. Green
gzen21@xxxxxxxxxx
"If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88mph you're gonna' see
some serious s--t"
-Doc Brown: "Back to the Future"
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:40:02 EDT
From: Delorean17@xxxxxxx
Subject: Interior part wanted
Hello,
I am starting to put my interior back together and need an odd little
part. I need the plastic piece( or insert) that is glued to the inside of
the binnacle and touches the lenz of the instrument cluster. I accidentally
ruined myne while trying to reglue it to the binnacle and now I need another
one:( I believe that this part is only available with a new binnacle; I
could be wrong. My binnacle is PERFECT so I dont want to do that.
If anyone has a parts car or an old binnacle with this piece still in it
I could really use it. It should just pull right out, it looks like they
didnt get much glue at the factory. please email me privately if you have
one. This time I am going to have a shop put it in.
Thanks in advance!
Dave
#2496-
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:44:56 +0200
From: cwirz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Interior part wanted
Hi
I would have this part in stock.
Please make me a offer incl. shipping
Christoph Wirz
De Lorean automobile
Switzerland
wirz@xxxxxxxxxxx
Delorean17@xxxxxxx on 26.07.2000 05:40:02
Please respond to dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx
cc: (bcc: Christoph Wirz/atraxis/APD)
Subject: [DML] Interior part wanted
Hello,
I am starting to put my interior back together and need an odd little
part. I need the plastic piece( or insert) that is glued to the inside of
the binnacle and touches the lenz of the instrument cluster. I accidentally
ruined myne while trying to reglue it to the binnacle and now I need another
one:( I believe that this part is only available with a new binnacle; I
could be wrong. My binnacle is PERFECT so I dont want to do that.
If anyone has a parts car or an old binnacle with this piece still in it
I could really use it. It should just pull right out, it looks like they
didnt get much glue at the factory. please email me privately if you have
one. This time I am going to have a shop put it in.
Thanks in advance!
Dave
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:40:18 -0400
From: <sean333@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: No door keys
Another predicament I have found myself in. I have never had door keys to
my car. The driver's door lock is broken in such a way that any key will
lock/unlock it and that originally made me think it was a one-key car.
However that is starting to fail such that NO key works on the driver's side
without alot of wiggling. And of course, I don't have a key for the
passenger's side! So lately I have taken to never locking the car lest I get
locked out for good.
A couple questions:
Can keys be make for the existing locks or will I need all new locks?
How easy is it to replace the locks if I have to replace one or both?
Thanks for any advice.
-Sean
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:21:57 -0400
From: <sean333@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: grinding power window
One of my power windows is making a grinding noise whenever it goes up or
down. Is this symptomatic of a common problems. Is it about to die?
Also, there is a odd series of scratches on the forward part of the glass
parallel to the window's motion. I suppose that is a clue. Any ideas?
-Sean
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:20:14 +0200
From: "Fr@nk Lommen" <j.m.s.c.lommen@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: one for the books
MODERATOR'S NOTE: I trimmed the amount of quoted material in this posting.
Scott wrote :
Message: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:19:26 -0400
From: "Scott Cagle" <sharkywtrs@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: One for the books
<snip> ... The piston support bolt that SHOULD be
mounted to the fiberglass body had been mounted, of all places, to the
filler plate that is used to hold up the weatherstripping. This was the
only thing holding the door up. Behind it, where the support brackets
should be, is a very large hole. Obviously, this bracket has been torn out
at one time. <snip>
Answer:
Hi Scott,
Try P.J. Grady. He has improved brackets, with a larger surface that can
hold an elephant. May save you a lot of work.
Good Luck !
Frank Lommen
Dmc.frenkie@xxxxxxx <mailto:Dmc.frenkie@xxxxxxx>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:00:44 EDT
From: abatt10347@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DOA Website Friendly to Ken's Show
Maybe the wall ( real or imagined) has fallen. I for one, welcome the warming
of the DOA to the other Delorean events. I was lucky enough to sit at the
dinner (Thursday night @ the Crawford) with some DOA people. They were as
nice and friendly as everyone else. Having discussed this topic so many times
before I'm glad to see that the organizations have found that we all can help
each other in our goals of promoting the Delorean. With the DOA offering this
olive branch we as Delorean owners should let problems from the past remain
there and try to find some common ground that we all can build on. Thank you
to the DOA for taking the first step. Note, there is a link to the DOA on the
clubs listing on the DML web site. Who knows maybe someday we will see a
write up about the DML in the Delorean World. Again thank you to who ever in
the DOA decided to take the first step in bridging the gap between our two
organizations. We all have a common goal and that is trying to tell the world
about this great auto we all love so much!!!
Bruce Battles
Vin # 06569
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:11:38 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Broken Shift Linkage
Shift linkage problems appear on the DML from time to time. These failures seem
to happen without warning, even in well-maintained DeLoreans. They usually leave
a car crippled.
This has never happened to me, and so I feel unprepared. I would feel better is
someone who had experieced the failure explained it visually, possibly making a
file for the DMC News Technical Library. I would like to see some pictures from
the underside of the car showing how to access the area in question, and where to
locate the critical part(s).
Would anyone volunteer to take some photographs?
- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:40:00 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Broken Shift Linkage
Biggest problem with this is that an artist would be of more benefit
than a photographer. The parts in question are essentially invisible
when installed in the car. This does show up in the parts book as the
pivot bolt part Number 110183 Callout #17 on page 4/2/0. You access
it on the car through the same hole in the frame where the fuel
accumulator is located. In the electronic version of the parts manual
it is in section 4 available at http://www.dmcnews.com/files.html
Dave
--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx, Mike Substelny <msubstel@xxxx> wrote:
> Shift linkage problems appear on the DML from time to time.... I
would like to see some pictures from
> the underside of the car showing how to access the area in
question, and where to
> locate the critical part(s).
>
> Would anyone volunteer to take some photographs?
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:04:19 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Broken Shift Linkage
Mike,
Until someone supplies a picture the bolt in question can be found at 4/2/0
#17 in the parts manual. It is accessible at the front end of the fuel
accumulator access hole.
"We're here to help you"
DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp@xxxxxxx>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Broken Shift Linkage
> Shift linkage problems appear on the DML from time to time. These
failures seem
> to happen without warning, even in well-maintained DeLoreans. They
usually leave
> a car crippled.
>
> This has never happened to me, and so I feel unprepared. I would feel
better is
> someone who had experieced the failure explained it visually, possibly
making a
> file for the DMC News Technical Library. I would like to see some
pictures from
> the underside of the car showing how to access the area in question, and
where to
> locate the critical part(s).
>
> Would anyone volunteer to take some photographs?
>
> - Mike Substelny
> VIN 01280, 7 years
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:30:33 -0000
From: "Daniel Willis" <danielpwillis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Bodged wiring (surprise!)
Hello list,
I am currently in the process of restoring VIN#5641. Everything seems
to be going well but I have a quick question for all those that know
the engine bay inside and out.
In the files area of egroups, I have place two pictures of my engine
bay (under a folder called wiring), one shows the location of said
wires, the other the wires themselves. Now my question!
Four wires have cut and twisted together. Nearby is a small plug that
has wires that match two of the cut wires, I assume that these were
at one time two of the cut wires also had a plug that fitted the
loose one, why would these wires be cut from the plug and wired in to
something else? If you look at the pictures you'll see what I
mean.....I'm no good at explaining this!
This is all just above the manafold near the airbox....
If more detailed pictures would help then I can post them.
Thanks
Dan Willis, UK, Portsmouth, VIN#5641
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:05:49 -0000
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: grinding power window
If you have the original window regulators, the grinding is bad and
indicates imminent failure.
I, too, have the scratches on one of my windows, but in the tint and
not the glass. It was due to the felt strip in the door coming loose
and no longer protecting the window. (Part #106129).
My driver's side window was scratched when I got the car, but this was
due to the window being out of adjustment and the owner continuing to
use it. I had that window replaced since scratched glass tends to
shatter. Check out the diagram:
http://www.usadmc.com/dmcstore/ViewPage.asp?PageID=98
Good luck,
Gus
--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx, <sean333@xxxx> wrote:
> One of my power windows is making a grinding noise whenever it goes
up or
> down. Is this symptomatic of a common problems. Is it about to die?
>
> Also, there is a odd series of scratches on the forward part of the
glass
> parallel to the window's motion. I suppose that is a clue. Any
ideas?
>
> -Sean
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:25:38 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: parts trade
Hello,
I am in need of a grey dashboard and grey binnicle. I was wondering
if anyone had those in great condition that was willing to trade for
some parts. Please e-mail me privately
Erik Geerdink
4512...i think I still own this, it's been awhile since I've seen it:)
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:25:55 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: grinding power window
Sounds like the inner window guide is comming/came off. If you look
down into the door you should see a strip of felt that pushes against
the inside of the glass. Over time (or in my case heat) the glue can
loosen that holds the felt onto a rubber strip. When the window rolls
down, the front portion loses contact w/the strip, which can allow
the glass to dig under the felt when it returns up. Once the felt has
come out of place, the rubber will then be "grabbed" by the glass.
Going up it makes an unpleasant noise, going down the rubber will be
pulled out of place. Since the rubber strip is attached to a metal
bracket, the scratches on the glass may be caused by the sharp
bracket rubbing on the glass as it goes up and down.
-Robert
vin 6585
--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx, <sean333@xxxx> wrote:
> One of my power windows is making a grinding noise whenever it goes
up or
> down. Is this symptomatic of a common problems. Is it about to die?
>
> Also, there is a odd series of scratches on the forward part of the
glass
> parallel to the window's motion. I suppose that is a clue. Any
ideas?
>
> -Sean
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:09:26 EDT
From: lovdmc12@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: DOA Website Friendly to Ken's Show
I agree with what Bruce Battles said. I had the pleasure of speaking to
Marcie Haug, a DOA board member, at the Cleveland show, and she and her
husband were very friendly. I gathered from my conversations that the "bad
blood" between the DOA and DML is not as bad as we've thought. I gathered
that most of the DOA board members were glad we are out here helping fellow
owners. I know John Truscott has recommended this list when I've had
problems with my car and highly recommends it as a source of information.
Let's accept this olive branch and build better relations between the DOA and
DML. Together we can accomplish much for the marque.
Brian
VIN 1597
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:00:01 EDT
From: senatorpack@xxxxxx
Subject: Re: DOA Website Friendly to Ken's Show
Dear dml,
I think that a big THANK YOU to the DeLorean Owners Association from all
of the list members would be a very gracious and courteous. All of us want
the DeLorean to be as successful now as it was when first introduced. We
should keep the positive comments flowing towards the DeLorean, the DeLorean
Owners Association and the DML.
Mike
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:14:36 EDT
From: njp548@xxxxxxx
Subject: De Lorean One online store...
hey List,
I don't know if anyone has checked out the De Lorean One web site
recently, but they just added an online store very similar to the way DMC
Houston created their web page. To me it seems odd for De Lorean One to
spend all the time, energy, and money into creating that online store if they
don't want to deal with any owners who are online (speaking from personal
experience of course). Just wanted to let the list know.
Later,
Nick
1852
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:49:15 -0400
From: "Michael D'Auria" <mikeydmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: grinding power window
Sean,
I have a 1990 Maxima right now and my windows weren't grinding but b/c
the car is 10 years old the rubber the window glides on wore out. My
mechanic suggested i get some Heavy Duty Silicon spray and really get the
rubber in the windows sprayed good. This might help you and is cheaper than
having to replace the window regulators which are expensive (a pair is
$495.00 from PJ Grady). Well good luck,
-Mikey D
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