dmcnews-digest Friday, September 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 413
In this issue:
Re: DML: Re: Electric Turbos / high-amp alternators...
Re: DML: Re: Wiring Diagram for CRAIG Radio wanted
Re: DML: Insurance
DML: [admin] Regular moderation resumes today
DML: Denver Delorean for Sale
DML: Re: Labor Day Troubles
DML: Re: Help with power windows
Re: Re: DML: Magazine.
Re: DML: Insurance
Re: DML: Buying a disassembled D. What to look for?
Re: DML: Banged up D
DML: Twin Turbo HP?
DML: Re: Original DeLorean Commercial
DML: PRV Performance updgrade
Re: DML: Labor Day Troubles
Re: DML: Wheels & Tires
Re: DML: Twin Turbo HP?
DML: DMC for Sale ***Warning***
DML: John De Lorean
DML: insurance
DML: Wedding Singer + Spin City DMC
Re: DML: Re: Electric Turbos / high-amp alternators...
DML: Mobile Car Show
Re: DML: Interior Colors
Re: DML: John De Lorean
DML: RE: Wedding Singer + Spin City DMC
DML: DMC-News Classifieds work!
Re: DML: Re: Electric Turbos / high-amp alternators...
Re: DML: Wedding Singer + Spin City DMC
DML: John De Lorean article
[none]
DML: where to find Spin City Promo on-line
DML: Just a few questions
DML: Quentin Wilson
DML: [show-AZ] 2nd Annual Art-o-mobilia Art and Auto Show
DML: Fanzilla for Sale
DML: [show-AZ] 11th Annual Cars in the Park
DML: RE: Fanzilla for Sale
Re: DML: Banged up D
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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:20:20 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Electric Turbos / high-amp alternators...
> On a side note, all of this seems relatively feasible with a high-output
> alternator. Changing the alternator and/or adding an additional one
> seems like quite a chore. However, I was surfing around a few months
> ago, and happened across a business that can rebuild an older
> alternator and increase it's efficiency substantially (they claimed they
> could rebuild a 75-amp alternator to a 200-amp...)
>
> Anyone heard of rebuilding/improving an older alternator?
>
> --Dave
I went to a local Altenator shop here in Mobile, he can rewind my
Ducciler to 100 Amp, 115 max. 200 amp reliably is questionable.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:27:18 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Wiring Diagram for CRAIG Radio wanted
DMCJoe wrote:
>
> BETTYCAT,
> The factory never made any information available for the radio. I would
> suggest you pull the radio and bring it to a reliable auto radio repair
> facility, they may have access to the information your looking for, by the
> way, what's the problem with it, we may be able to help.
> Joe/DeLorean Services
James Espey was selling copies of the wiring diagrams for the radios at
Expo '98.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 15:47:50 -0400
From: Sean Jones <shain@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Insurance
Hello,
Can i have your insurance carrier phone #. I'd liek to call and see if
there in
my state.
- - Shain
Dale Schaub wrote:
> Folks,
>
> The DeLorean Owners Association worked for more than ten years negotiating
> lower insurance. The company they came to an agreement with was American
> Modern Home. I immediately told American Modern Home that I was interested
> so they would apply for their license in Arizona. American Modern Home had
> to apply for a license in each state where they wanted to operate.
>
> After about six months, DeLorean Owners Association announced that the
> interest of the Owners was to low and stopped the program.
>
> However, I did get insurance through them and I still have it with them. I
> pay $275 per year, and for anyone that knows what insurance costs are in
> Arizona this is really cheap. My driving is limited to 2,500 miles per year,
> and the car can only be used for pleasure (not to and from work).
>
> dale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Bohmier <Bohmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 9:43 AM
> Subject: Re: DML: Insurance
>
> >Folks:
> >
> >I feel that I am paying more than I need to for insurance.
> >
> >How is that report coming along?
> >
> >My car is rated for City-Pleasure and costs about $800.00 annually.
> >
> >Who are some of the competitive insurance carriers?
> >
> >Thomas Bohmier
> >
> >Moore wrote:
> >
> >> I agree. I pay $311.00 every six months for full coverage and etc.
> >> I've been told that I can get it cheaper if designate my "D" as a
> >> collector auto and only drive it Miles a year. Haven't inquired about
> >
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 98 13:30:08 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: [admin] Regular moderation resumes today
I have resumed the moderation duties for the DeLorean Mailing List as of
this afternoon. Once again, I owe a debt of gratitude to our Guest
Moderator Knut Grimsrud for taking the time out of his holiday weekend to
cover for me. What a guy!
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:18:45 -0600
From: "Don Golden" <drgolden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Denver Delorean for Sale
Oct 81
VIN 4835
18,473 miles
Very good condition. Second owner. Been garaged for last 8 years, but not
started for last 4.
Make Offer over $12,500
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:44:18 -0400
From: "DMCJoe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Labor Day Troubles
Brad,
Yes, it certainly sounds like its a dead alternator but if your battery is
good you should be able to make it run with a jump start. Two other things
you might check is the battery to chassis ground. This could be either a
loose connection or a defective cable. If that checks out you may have a
bad cell in your battery. Either substitute the current battery with
another or bring you battery to a service facility and ask them to "load
test" it.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:06:52 -0400
From: "DMCJoe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Help with power windows
Massimo,
Pull the interior door handle up and look down past the handle and into the
door, you will see either a 10mm bolt or a Phillips head screw, remove the
screw. Now pull out the blank switch cover (similar to driver door where
the mirror switch is) look down through that hole and you will see another
10mm bolt or Phillips head screw, remove and the lower panel will detach
from the door. As a side note you will probably find a broken cable tube
bracket (white plastic). If this is the case it is not repairable, DeLorean
part suppliers have improved updated replacements.
The seats are easily removed be removing the four 13mm bolts that hold the
seat track assembly, they are easily accessed from under the car. You will
also need to slide each seat forward to help clear the track from the seat
belt anchor.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 23:28:42 -0500
From: "Ray Haug, Internet Director" <webchair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: DML: Magazine.
At 10:42 AM 9/5/98 EDT, NOSLACK686@xxxxxxx wrote:
>I have this Gold series book also and have found that this is what all you
>guys would be looking for. It is a compilation of a lot of articles from
>1977
>to 95 by major car mags and smaller not-so-known mags. It is very thorough.
>So
>much so that a lot of the earlier articles about the time when the car came
>out are a bit redundant. It is published in England by Brookland Books but
>the
>articles are from both sides of the Atlantic.
>
>Scott
>
Scott,
The De Lorean Gold Portfolio is available on-line from the DeLorean Owners
Association on our web site located in the Marketplace, Public Products
section located at:
http://www.delorean-owners.org/market/catalog/store.cgi?page=frames_frontpag
e.html
Ray Haug, Internet Director
DeLorean Owners Association
http://www.delorean-owners.org
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:35:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bill Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Insurance
On Sun, 6 Sep 1998, Thomas Bohmier wrote:
> I feel that I am paying more than I need to for insurance.
Don't we all. :}
> How is that report coming along?
Poorly. I have only received about half a dozen responses. :(
Therefore, treat this as a second call for information. If you want to
contribute to the insurance database (and believe me, you want to :) )
then please, fill in the blanks and email your answer to me at
fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxxx I hope to have at least one response on file from
every state, except perhaps Alaska. Once I get enough responses to create
meaningful statistics, "Stainless Steel Hand Espey" has offered to host
the information on the web site. But I think it would look silly with
only five entries.
Therefore, if you have a DMC, and you have it insured, and your insurance
is for something other than storage only, please fill out the following
questionnaire (Version 1.1) and return it to me. You'll make everyone
happy if you supply as much as possible of the information on the form.
Thanks. :)
- ---
What model D you have and whether you have put any insurance-eating
modifications (turbo, nitrous, super-sound, flux capacitor) into it. If
so, how much of an effect did this have on your quote, if you know. One
other question: Does lowering the front on the D raise the insurance
rates? (preliminary evidence says no...)
Age, sex, family/marriage status and homeowner status
Where you live. In particular what state, but also whether you live in
the city or in a rural area, and if so, which city.
What your driving record is like. Anyone that wants to would make me
happy if they told me specifically how many tickets and accidents, if any,
you have.
What other vehicles you own, if any, and which one is your "primary"
driver.
What flavor of insurance you have. Is your D insured for standard, full
coverage? Do you have mileage or usage restrictions?
What sort of car your insurance company claims you have. It's probably
not an SUV or a pickup, but did they insist on calling it a "sports car"
or did you convince them that it's a coupe, classic, or some generic
category?
If you considered other vehicles in the same class as the D, what did the
insurance companies tell you they would cost?
Who it is that you have actally convinced to insure your car.
And of course, how much all this costs you, per vehicle.
Thanks for your help!
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 00:01:32 -0500
From: Thomas Bohmier <Bohmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Buying a disassembled D. What to look for?
Does that price include "re-assembly" or access to his shop?
Do you know how to re-assemble it?
Just some things to consider!
Dave Stragand wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I finally tracked down the local guy with the disassembled D in his
garage.
>
> I understand he took apart a perfectly functional, 16,000 mile car, to
> completely clean and reassemble it. That was 10 years ago, and he hasn't
> done a
> single thing to it since. I understand he wants $5000, but hope to talk
him
> down to $4k. Does that sound about right?
>
> I will be going to take a look at it this week. Is there anything in
> particular
> I should be looking for when I inspect the car? Any helpful hints would
be
> appreciated.
>
> -Dave in Pittsburgh
>
> PS - Any Pittsburgh DeLorean owners on the list? I'm sure I'll need some
> guidance if I do purchase this car.
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 22:58:44 -0500
From: Thomas Bohmier <Bohmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Banged up D
Martin:
Sound like a lobar of love.
I would first find out if there is anyone in your area skilled in
repairing stainless steel, which requires using heat and tools combined to
remove dents and imperfections.
The second thing that I would do is make a list of all of the things that
you see and if your not mechanically skilled bring along a mechanic and
add his notes to the list.
The third thing that I would do is inquire through DMC Houston, PJ Grady
and the other specialist as the cost for the parts required and add both
your labor and the labor of the mechanic to create a rough estimate to
repair and restore. After you have that, then go sit down with the owner
and work on the dollars/pounds. I would attempt to keep your total
investment in the $13,000.00 to $17,000.00 range so that it is a
"marketable" car, if you ever need to sell it in the general market.
I hope eveyone else agrees. If not, then remember that it is only one
opinion.
Thomas
'83 in Dallas
Martin Gutkowski (UK) wrote:
> I would much appreciate knowledgable people's view of this car as a
> potential purchase. You can't see much from these pics, but suffice to
> say the interior's a wreck and every panel other than bonnet and roof
> has some sort of dent. No serious accidents. ALL mechanicals and frame
> are fine. It has no louvers. Asking price, 5000 pounds (about $8000).
>
> http://delorean.connect-2.co.uk/join.htm
>
> Thanks,
>
> Martin
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:36:34 +0000
From: ausmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Twin Turbo HP?
Hi,
Well, I thought I might put an end to the HP questions. No luck.
I ordered a GTech Pro. It was discussed on the list a couple of weeks
ago. Nice little unit that has a few design flaws. Took the car out
to the local sand, gravel and concrete plant and weighed it, with me
and gas and what ever. Took it out and made two runs, the second
didn't count because the unit shut down when the shift contacted the
cigarette lighter plug in. Then I made a third. The best reading was
162hp. ???
Came back home, head scratch, get out instruction book again and read
it cover to cover. Fine print on last page. "If you have a turbo car
the difference from Dyno and G-Tech Pro will be greater because turbo
cars develop maximum horsepower in higher gears (more time to build
up the boost) but in higher gears there is also more aerodynamic
drag." I don't know about you other guys that have turbos but mine
will build max boost in any gear. Don't think these people thought
out their disclaimer very well.
Packed it up and sent it back.
Chris
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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 14:46 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Elke L. Ambrose" <cos.reprographics@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Original DeLorean Commercial
This one caught my eye the other day. There is a german DeLorean website
that features the "original" Delorean commercial.
"www.delorean.de"
select "Images and Files"
scroll down all the way to the bottom
the commercial is downloadable as "dmcspot.zip".
They also have some cool wallpaper and a lot of DeLorean pics. One
of the best Delorean websites I have found so far. (Being able to read
german helps a LOT)
Elke L. Ambrose
VIN# 5292
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:01:55 -0700
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: PRV Performance updgrade
As mentioned earlier, I got a line on a fellow who works with our engine;
ie, the PRV6. While he doesn't have "performance parts" for sale, he does
work on these engines to increase their performance. He has done head and
crankshaft swaps to set up the engine as an "even fire", changed the
injection set-up, etc. I have suggested that he review the performance
thread of the past few weeks and then jump in if he feels he has anything
to add that would be of interest to the group.
His name is John Lane. The company is Pacific Rim Automotive in Seattle.
His phone number is 206-632-1175.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:14:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bill Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Labor Day Troubles
On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, Brad Smith wrote:
> that the "D" has left me 'stranded'. I had noticed the lights were =
> dimming at the stoplights and when the RPM's were low. But I was too =
> far from home to make it back. Pulling into a parking lot, I killed =
> it.....and the Delorean never came back to life. The battery has full =
> power and several jumps and push starts still wouldn't do it....I have a =
I think the biggest advantage of the rear-engine might be the ease with
which jumper cables can be attached. For those of us that manage to drain
our batteries regularly even with the benefit of good electrical systems,
it's probably critical. :}
BTW, does the D have those neat little dinger sounds when you leave the
lights on, keys in the ignition, etc.? I really need those. :}
It sounds to me like you might have developed a short circuit somewhere -
maybe in your ignition system. With the battery fully charged (and with
the assistance of a jump, certainly) you should be able to at least start
the car; if your alternator is bad, your battery will run down again, but
you shouldn't experience sputtering on a full battery whether your
alternator is working or not.
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:34:53 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Wheels & Tires
> Along this same line, many early owners put 1/2" spacers behind their
front
> wheels to gain a wider track. I've no idea of the results - godd or bad.
>
> Dick Ryan
I tried it and gained a noticable increase in the already great degree of
understeer. It also seemed to amplify any imperfections in wheel balance.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:57:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bill Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Twin Turbo HP?
On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 ausmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Well, I thought I might put an end to the HP questions. No luck.
At least we've got someone producing concrete figures. :}
> cigarette lighter plug in. Then I made a third. The best reading was
> 162hp. ???
That's not really all that great, but it's not outside the realm of
possibilities. Of course, you're also measuring on a Gtech stick-on
meter...
The best measurement of HP is done on a dyno, whether it is an engine dyno
or a wheel dyno doesn't matter, but will determine engine HP vs. "street
HP" (which is lower because of transmission drag, air resistance, tire
friction, etc).
The G-Tech (which is really just an accelerometer) has to "guess" at your
HP by measuring at your acceleration. This is a misfortune, because HP
isn't really what creates acceleration in the 0-60 bracket - it's torque,
and although the two are related, there's no precise, direct correlation.
A lot of factors go into an accelerometer-style measurement that have
absolutely nothing to do with engine performance at all, like the
transmission, tires, and driver. :} HP, really, is more useful for things
like passing, going uphill, towing trailers (not in the D of course) and
other more constant efforts, rather than the sharp acceleration of 0-60.
> it cover to cover. Fine print on last page. "If you have a turbo car
> the difference from Dyno and G-Tech Pro will be greater because turbo
> cars develop maximum horsepower in higher gears (more time to build
> up the boost) but in higher gears there is also more aerodynamic
> drag." I don't know about you other guys that have turbos but mine
> will build max boost in any gear. Don't think these people thought
Obviously the max boost has nothing to do with what gear you're in, but it
does have to do with engine RPM. From 0-60, you don't really use the
turbo the whole time, and when you are using it, as often as not you're at
relatively low RPM. Turbos, of course, are at their best above 2000 RPM.
So yes, their gadget will be more inaccurate on a turbo car, but not for
those reasons :)
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:10:17 EDT
From: OLopez1@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: DMC for Sale ***Warning***
Just a small consumer notice...
The other day I was told by one of my co-workers that there was a
DeLorean for
sale in South Florida and since I've only had my car for over a month so
I was
curious as to other offers that were out there that I was not even aware
of.
For any of you out there in Miami this DeLorean for sale is on US1 and
178th
Street. The basics: It's a September 81 VIN: 38??, Grey Interior,
Automatic,
27K miles, Original NCT(s). I asked to see the car in detail and it was
not
impressed by the condition of the car. Here is a run down of what I
found:
EXTERIOR:
The exterior is in an almost trashed condition. The hood has a very
present
"X" creace that was previously discussed and can be felt not just seen.
The
rear quarter panels are damaged up where they meet the "T" panel but
probably
can be repaired. The "T" panel needs to be replaced and it seems that the
louver being opend improperly caused this damage because it was located
right
by the hinges. The front and rear facia are in OK condition but need to
be
repainted. The windsheild is cracked in three places, the rear window is
also
cracked. The louver is also broken where it meets the driver side strut.
The
car is also extreemly dirty and after about a minute or so of rubbing
away at
it I couldn not remove the stains.
INTERIOR
To put it simply this car was baked "extra crispy" in the Florida sun. It
really looks like it's been out ther for 17 years. Every interior surface
is
cracked or broken except for the trim surrounding the center console. The
shifter handle is also broken. The original seats were removed and
replaced
with electronic seats. About the only good thing in the interior were the
original DMC floor mats and the headliners, apart from that the car is a
total
mess.
MECHANICS
I can't speak for the mechanical aspects of the car but if the Interior
and
Exterior are any guide it's probably not good since this does not look
like a
car that was cared for. I don't think they would have allowed an in depth
inspection for a "just looking" person.
The asking price for the car was a whopping $20,000 and I beleive it was
for
sale on consignment so it didn't belong to the used car dealership. If I
had
to grade this car it would get a D. I'm no expert but for $20,000 thats
just
plain out of hand and a fair price would probably be $4000 - $6000. I
bought
my D in B+ condition for several thousand less. There are also several
more
D's for sale in the Miami area in used car dealerships in similar
condition
but not so irrationally priced.
Orlando Lopez
#06882
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:36:05 EDT
From: Jimbo0946@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: John De Lorean
There's not very much that any of us can do about this (well maybe a
couple of
us), but I read in the Asbury Park Press the other day that John De
Lorean is
auctioning off his estate here in New Jersey. I don't remember any of the
details, just thought you guys would like to know. If you would like to
know
more, I'm sure I can pull out the newspaper article.
JimmyC
#15880
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:12:43 EDT
From: JCox4001@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: insurance
I thought I'd turn you on to a company up in Traverse City, Michigan
called
Hagerty Classic Insurance. We went with them after doing some rather
extensive research. I was able to get AGREED VALUE insurance, with all
the
bells and whistles for only $316.00 a year. The best part is that there
is NO
mileage limitations, and the vehicle CAN be left unattended. There is,
however, a form to be filled out, which assures them that this is a
classic
vehicle that will not be used for everyday use. You have to submit
photos,
and info on your regular insurance, on your everyday cars. IMPORTANT: I
see
alot of you are claiming to have insurance like STATE FARM, and you might
want
to check this out, but you probably do not have Fire/Theft or body damage
coverage, even though you think you do. I checked with all the Big
Companies,
and no one is covering these things, at least in the state of Tennessee.
If
you dont have a sharp agent, they will not notice the SMALL PRINT that the
underwriters have in place. PLEASE BE CAREFUL. Hagerty's Classic
Insurance
can be reached at 1-800-922-4050.
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:06:27 EDT
From: OLopez1@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Wedding Singer + Spin City DMC
Hi,
Does anybody know if the DeLorean used for the "Spin City" promo is the
same
car they used for the "Wedding Singer". Both cars have the dealer
installed
black stripe below the extirior black plastic bands and both cars had the
grey
interior. If it's the same car was this supplied by the same
person/company or
is it just dumb luck.
OL
#06882
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:14:36 -0400
From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Electric Turbos / high-amp alternators...
Scott,
The Duciellier can barely put its specified 80 amps, converting it to 90 -
100 would be quite an accomplishment, 200 amps! UNBELIEVABLE!
Joe/DeLorean Services
- ----------
> From: Scott Mueller <scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: DML: Re: Electric Turbos / high-amp alternators...
> Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 12:20 PM
>
(SNIP)
>
> I went to a local Altenator shop here in Mobile, he can rewind my
> Ducciler to 100 Amp, 115 max. 200 amp reliably is questionable.
>
> Scott Mueller
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 05:13:15 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: DML: Mobile Car Show
On Saturday October 31st, 1998 there will be the annual "Hooters" Car
Show. It will be held in Mobile Alabama. The show will benifit United
Cerebral Palsy.
There will be a nominal registration fee and the profits will go to
charity.
I spoke with the Manager at Hooters yesterday and there is a good chance
that tee shirts will be given to all participants.
More details will follow as they become available.
I would like to extend an invitation to all DeLorean owners that would
wish to attend. You can contact me directly (scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx)
and I will put you on an update email list.
So far, Steve Wynne of DeLorean Motor Company has said that he can
schedule a trip into Mobile to conduct an informal Tech Session ( 12 car
attendance minimum ) which will be based on our specific questions. If
time permits, Steve will conduct inspections of our cars.
I will be hosting a BBQ at my home for the owners and there
guests/companions after the show. You will have to bring your own beer
though.
If you wish to come down Friday night and spend Saturday night in
Mobile, let me know and I will put together a list of Motel/Hotels that
you can contact for rooms. The weather in Mobile towards the end of
October is supposed to be really nice.
Duke Bladorn is attempting to make arrangements with the local track to
allow us to take a couple of laps. Also, Duke is attempting to arrange
for a special guest speaker.
This DeLorean Owners gathering will be very informal, no fees, with the
exception of the car show.
To keep expenses down, the advertising will be done strictly via DMCNEWS
and possibly the DOA site.
Please contact me immediately via email if you think you may be able to
attend. I would like to give Steve Wynne a preliminary head count as
soon as possible.
Thanks you
Scott Mueller
vin 002981
Mobile, AL
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 05:09:40 -0700
From: Jason Perkins <jperkins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Interior Colors
In response to the Rad Dad's comment how he has an 83 two-tone: My D
(16667)
is exactly the same. My dash, center console, doors and seats are black.
The headliner, carpeting, and rear deck are Grey. I also agree, that
after
years of looking at different D's, the contrast with the Black and Grey is
nice. (This is a personal opinion everyone- so no need to start a thread
off this!). Dick also mentioned that about 200 cars were produced this
way.
Was that produced identical to ours or with other mixed color schemes?
Jason Perkins
#16667
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 98 10:27:01 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: John De Lorean
On 9/10/98 12:35 AM, Jimbo0946@xxxxxxx shared these fine thoughts...
>There's not very much that any of us can do about this (well maybe a
>couple of
>us), but I read in the Asbury Park Press the other day that John De
>Lorean is
>auctioning off his estate here in New Jersey. I don't remember any of the
>details, just thought you guys would like to know. If you would like to
>know
>more, I'm sure I can pull out the newspaper article.
Two people mentioned to me that they saw something to that effect on CNN
over the weekend, a serach of the CNN and Reuters site turned up
nothing...details would be appreciated.
James
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:20:29 -0400
From: "Yocom, Shannon" <syocom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Wedding Singer + Spin City DMC
I haven't seen the comercial for myself (yet), but remember the Wedding
Singer D does not have the logo on the grill either. Hope this helps in
your quest.
Shannon
VIN# not yet!
> ----------
> From: OLopez1@xxxxxxx
> Reply To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 1998 9:06 PM
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: Wedding Singer + Spin City DMC
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anybody know if the DeLorean used for the "Spin City" promo is
> the
> same
> car they used for the "Wedding Singer". Both cars have the dealer
> installed
> black stripe below the extirior black plastic bands and both cars had
> the
> grey
> interior. If it's the same car was this supplied by the same
> person/company or
> is it just dumb luck.
>
> OL
> #06882
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 98 10:57:47 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DMC-News Classifieds work!
Just got a nice note from Bob Benyon, a longtime DML'er who recently sold
his "extra" DeLorean through the DMC-News classifieds. Even though
DMC-News classifieds are free, Bob very generously sent a nice check to
DMC-News as a contribution. Thanks very much Bob!
See the DMC-News Classifieds at:
http://www.dmcnews.com/buynsell.html
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:15:16 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Electric Turbos / high-amp alternators...
Joe LoRe' wrote:
>
> Scott,
> The Duciellier can barely put its specified 80 amps, converting it to 90 -
> 100 would be quite an accomplishment, 200 amps! UNBELIEVABLE!
> Joe/DeLorean Services
> > Subject: Re: DML: Re: Electric Turbos / high-amp alternators...
> > Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 12:20 PM
> >
> (SNIP)
> >
> > I went to a local Altenator shop here in Mobile, he can rewind my
> > Ducciler to 100 Amp, 115 max. 200 amp reliably is questionable.
> >
> > Scott Mueller
Joe, My reference to 200 amps was from someone elses previous post. I
was questioning the reliability of a 200 amp Duciellier altenator. I do
not believe that 200 amps is possible for any length of time. The alt
would be rated for 100 amps continuous duty with a peak of 115 amps.
I hope that I have cleared this up.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:27:44 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Wedding Singer + Spin City DMC
Speaking of this commercial... Has anyone got it on their web site yet??
I have not seen it.
OLopez1@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
<SNIP>
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:31:41 EDT
From: Jimbo0946@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: John De Lorean article
This is the entire article:
DeLorean's NJ estate to be auctioned off Oct.6
A state judge has cleared the way for an Oct. 6 sale of former automaker
John
Delorean's Bedminster estate.
The 434-acre estate will be auctioned off by the Somerset County Sheriff's
Office to settle a $9 million debt owed to Merrill Lynch Credit Corp.
Another
of Delorean's creditors, Michigan attorney Mayor Morganroth, recently
challenged the settlement agreement between DeLorean and Merrill Lynch.
Morganroth won a $ 7 million judgment against DeLorean. Last month he
filed
papers in Superior Court in Somerville challenging the Merrill Lynch
claim of
$76,000 for attorney and expert fees in the company's foreclosure case
against
Delorean.
Dave Roberts, DeLorean's attorney, said Assignment Judge Wilfred P. Diana
approved most of the fees in a written decision last week.
Roberts said Oct 6 was set as the date for the sale, following the
decision.
Morganroth is second in line to collect on any funds generated by the
sale.
He said DeLorean promised in the settlement agreement with Merrill Lynch
not
to exercise his right to delay the sale. DeLorean and the company reached
a
settlement in May for the 1990 loans DeLorean received.
The agreement allows for all but the former automaker's home and several
small
parcels of land to be sold. The house and the property eill go to his
children, Zachary and Kathryn.
Make of it as you will
JimmyC
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 98 13:38:49 MDT
From: "Cadet Jeffrey T. Phillips, x-4574"@world.std.com
Subject: [none]
<PhillipsJT00.CS09.USAFA@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Foreign web sites
Sender: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Precedence: list
Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Elke wrote:
>This one caught my eye the other day. There is a german DeLorean website
>that features the "original" Delorean commercial.
>"www.delorean.de"
<snip>
>They also have some cool wallpaper and a lot of DeLorean pics. One
>of the best Delorean websites I have found so far. (Being able to read
>german helps a LOT)
For those of you who can't read german Alta Vista provides a free
translation
site at:
http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/
It works kind of strange but it does work. Keep in mind though, much
text on a
web page is in a graphic but this will do a good translation of all HTML
text.
Jeff Phillips
Viking IX
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:54:45 EDT
From: Elgocho@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: where to find Spin City Promo on-line
BTTF.COM has it now. You can get there through an article on the front
page or
go to:http://www.bttf.com/realaudio. I recommend to go through article
cause
there is info on there about the commercial.
Bosch
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:39:11 -0400
From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Just a few questions
Hello everyone,
I have a few questions:
1. Both of the rear speakers have decided that they have had enough and
died. I (and a local stereo installer) are a little concerned about
un-adhering the "rear quarter trim panel from the door filler panel -
with a heat gun as the technical manual described due to the age of the
car. Has anyone dealt with removing and reapplying this panel?
2. Neither I nor the previous owner could figure out how the battery
strap actually worked - sounds kind of silly, huh? Well, can anyone
give any suggestions on how to get the strap to clamp properly?
3. Last week, my front courtesy light (in the headliner) burned out. I
went to the automotive supply store and found the only light that they
had that was the correct size - physically and electrically - with one
exception. The original was 7 Watts and the new one was 5 Watts.
Needless to say the light is much, much dimmer. In fact, it doesn't
produce enough light to be of any effect.
4. The rear tires are the original ones (the car has only 24.5k miles)
and still has a bit of tread left. The fronts were replaced by the
previous
owner with Pirelli P6's. I have had the wheels rebalanced and aligned and
have a mild vibration problem that was improved, but still exists.
Because
of the age of the rear tires (the car is an '81), I am a little concerned
that they
may be what is causing the vibration. Any ideas about that?
5. Because of the possibility of replacing the tires in the near future,
I
have begun to look for a new set of tires. I am in the tire industry -
kind-of (I
design equipment used to manufacture tires - I am not involved with the
production of tires directly), and have looked through the web sights for
Dunlop, Cooper, Firestone/Bridgestone, Goodyear, Kelly/Springfield, and
Pirelli in their performance section only and have found bizzare results.
It
seems that there are many tires available for the front (195/60R14), but
very
little available for the rear (235/60R15). And to beat it all, when I did
find
a brand and model for both, the front would come with black lettering
while
the rear would come with white lettering. My question is: does anyone
have
any suggestions for a brand and model tire set for the car for the
original
sizes
only?
Thank you all!!!
Sean Howley
VIN# 2345
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:16 +0000
From: "Martin Gutkowski" <mgutkowski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Quentin Wilson
If anyone is interested, a picure of "the enemy"; Mr Quentin Wilson can
be found on the BBC Top Gear web page at
http://www.topgear.beeb.com/carchase/
Before being a presenter he was a car salesman.
Martin
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 10:28:23 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: [show-AZ] 2nd Annual Art-o-mobilia Art and Auto Show
Art-o-mobilia
The Creation of Art and Mobility
Saturday, October 24th 1998, 10am - 4pm
West Valley Art Museum, Sun City AZ
Registration fee $10 per vehicle, deadline September 29th, 1998.
A celebration of Art and Autos with food food reminiscent of roadside
cafes, live music, lectures on the auto culture, storytellers, clowns and
fun kids activities.
Cash prizes in each category and for best of show.
For more details, contact Mike Bailey at 602/972-0635.
- -----------------------------------
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 10:36:57 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Fanzilla for Sale
I bought a Fanzilla from another DML'er only to find that my car cannot
use it. It is as new in the box with instructions - $150 includes
shipping in the US. Email me
James Espey
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 10:34:47 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: [show-AZ] 11th Annual Cars in the Park
11th Annual Cars in the Park - 1998
Veterans Memorial Park, Sierra Vista, AZ
9am - 4pm
$20 registration before October 2nd, $25 day of show
First 250 egistrants receive t-shirt, dash plaque and goodie bag.
3 trophies in each class - Original DeLorean fits in Class F (Oringal 2
passenger sports car) and/or Classes M (Modified Sports Car 2 pass).
More info contact Leo at 520/378-3096 or email "cars@xxxxxxxxxxxx"
***Car show the follwoing day in Benson, AZ (20 miles north of Sierra
Vista) contact Bill at 520-586-2959
- --------------------------
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:49:14 -0400
From: "Yocom, Shannon" <syocom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Fanzilla for Sale
Maybe I'm a dolt, but I don't understand why you car cannot us Fanzilla
when they are made for DeLoreans. Can you explain to us (I hope i'm not
the only one) who do not understand why it won't work?
Shannon Yocom
> ----------
> From: James Espey
> Reply To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 1998 5:36 AM
> To: DMCNews
> Subject: DML: Fanzilla for Sale
>
> I bought a Fanzilla from another DML'er only to find that my car
> cannot
> use it. It is as new in the box with instructions - $150 includes
> shipping in the US. Email me
>
> James Espey
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:34:51 +0100
From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <martin.is@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Banged up D
Here in England we don't have any DeLorean service facilities (as you can
guess). What we do have is a dedicated bunch of fans skilled in all
different
areas, much like the mailing list, but on a far smaller scale. This
includes a
couple of chaps who have now perfected the repair of stainless body
panels.
Dave Howarth told me that a chap over here has just had both rear quarter
panels repaired and looking indistinguishable from "new" ones for 150
pounds
the pair. That's roughly 250 bucks.
I know the doors are a different matter, but even having to buy new ones,
the
cost will still be less than the value when all fixed.
Best Wishes,
Martin
Thomas Bohmier wrote:
> Martin:
>
> Sound like a lobar of love.
>
(SNIP)
>
> > I would much appreciate knowledgable people's view of this car as a
> > potential purchase. You can't see much from these pics, but suffice to
> > say the interior's a wreck and every panel other than bonnet and roof
> > has some sort of dent. No serious accidents. ALL mechanicals and frame
> > are fine. It has no louvers. Asking price, 5000 pounds (about $8000).
> >
> > http://delorean.connect-2.co.uk/join.htm
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Martin
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