[DMCForum] Saltwater Fuel?

["Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

For those of you into this kind of thing...

There is a YouTube video out there of a TV news clip where they show the
results. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6vSxR6UKFM 

Of course, conservation of energy comes into play, and exactly how much
energy it takes to create the radio waves, etc., but it's an interesting
curiosity at least, even if it proves impractical.

(Next up -- people complaining about the "Big Saltwater Companies"...
and people complaining that my car kills whales.)

-Dave

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07252/815920-85.stm

Salt water as fuel? Erie man hopes so

Sunday, September 09, 2007

By David Templeton, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

For obvious reasons, scientists long have thought that salt water
couldn't be burned.

So when an Erie man announced he'd ignited salt water with the
radio-frequency generator he'd invented, some thought it was a hoax.

John Kanzius, a Washington County native, tried to desalinate seawater
with a generator he developed to treat cancer, and it caused a flash in
the test tube.

Within days, he had the salt water in the test tube burning like a
candle, as long as it was exposed to radio frequencies.

His discovery has spawned scientific interest in using the world's most
abundant substance as clean fuel, among other uses.

Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, held a demonstration last
week at the university's Materials Research Laboratory in State College,
to confirm what he'd witnessed weeks before in an Erie lab.

"It's true, it works," Dr. Roy said. "Everyone told me, 'Rustum, don't
be fooled. He put electrodes in there.' "

But there are no electrodes and no gimmicks, he said.

Dr. Roy said the salt water isn't burning per se, despite appearances.
The radio frequency actually weakens bonds holding together the
constituents of salt water -- sodium chloride, hydrogen and oxygen --
and releases the hydrogen, which, once ignited, burns continuously when
exposed to the RF energy field. Mr. Kanzius said an independent source
measured the flame's temperature, which exceeds 3,000 degrees
Fahrenheit, reflecting an enormous energy output.

As such, Dr. Roy, a founding member of the Materials Research Laboratory
and expert in water structure, said Mr. Kanzius' discovery represents
"the most remarkable in water science in 100 years."

But researching its potential will take time and money, he said. One
immediate question is energy efficiency: The energy the RF generator
uses vs. the energy output from burning hydrogen.

Dr. Roy said he's scheduled to meet tomorrow with U.S. Department of
Energy and Department of Defense officials in Washington to discuss the
discovery and seek research funding.

Mr. Kanzius said he powered a Stirling, or hot air, engine with salt
water. But whether the system can power a car or be used as an efficient
fuel will depend on research results.

"We will get our ideas together and check this out and see where it
leads," Dr. Roy said. "The potential is huge.

"In the life sciences, the role of water is infinite, and this guy is
doing something new in using the most important and most abundant
material on the face of the earth."

Mr. Kanzius' discovery was an accident.

He developed the RF generator as a novel cancer treatment. His research
in targeting cancer cells with metallic nanoparticles then destroying
them with radio-frequency is proceeding at the University of Pittsburgh
Medical Center and at the University of Texas' MD Anderson Cancer Center
in Houston.

Manuscripts updating the cancer research are in preparation for
publication in coming months, Mr. Kanzius said.

While Mr. Kanzius was demonstrating how his generator heated
nanoparticles, someone noted condensation inside the test tube and
suggested he try using his equipment to desalinate water.

So, Mr. Kanzius said, he put sea water in a test tube, then trained his
machine on it, producing an unexpected spark. In time he and laboratory
owners struck a match and ignited the water, which continued burning as
long as it remained in the radio-frequency field.

During several trials, heat from burning hydrogen grew hot enough to
melt the test tube, he said. Dr. Roy's tests on the machine last week
provided further evidence that the process is releasing and burning
hydrogen from the water. Tests on different water solutions and
concentrations produced various temperatures and flame colors.

"This is the most abundant element in the world. It is everywhere," Dr.
Roy said of salt water. "Seeing it burn gives me chills." 



 
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