RE: [DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?

["Videobob Moseley" <videobob@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Some of you need a little background on the subject.
It all started on Gary Weaver's BTTF website.
When he first started it, I was one of the very first posters on it.
My first post was to advertise one of my license plate reproductions in his
"for sale" section. Little did I know that I beat Gary to the punch on his 
own
website because he was going to offer the same plate for twice the money.
He wasn't happy about that.
My first black mark.

Next enters Bruce C. who is a known prop builder, I admit I used one of his
photos as a template for building my own version of the prop.
I respected his work so much that I figured his reproduction would be
an exact replica of the original, what I didn't know is that his replica was
nothing close to the original!
I got a lashing for not doing my own research and for copying Bruce.
I admit it, it was a mistake, and it never happened again.
(I now only use movie stills or research I did at Universal Studios myself.)
Second black mark.....not looking good to Gary.

Then, after months of frustration with getting zero help from Gary, Bruce
or any one else in his clan I decided to make my own website, do my own 
research
and share it with the fans. In the past Gary would never reveal important 
information
like part numbers or sources for parts.
He would SELL you the part, if he LIKED you.
I circumvented him by posting on my site all the "secrets" to what this 
stuff was
and where to get it, along with offering the completed props a lot cheaper 
than
anyone else did.
Strike three, I'm out.

When Gary saw this he kicked me off his website.
Of course I just signed up under an alias to monitor what he was doing,
as of course what he did to me.

Enter Monte.
On my site I have an archive of everyone who has made a replica (to my 
knowledge)
Monte's car and photos of it where on this list.
Now since Monte bought most all of his stuff from Gary and Bruce his 
loyalties are with them.
He asked me not to make mention of him on my site.
I told him to "think for yourself" effectively and I refused.
That was the extent of our communication.

Fast forward to this weekend.
I see Monte and his car and I approach him and introduce myself with a smile 
and
an outstretched hand....he is quite rude to me.
While examining his car I see little stickers hidden on it that say things 
like,
"Videobob sucks dick", "Videobob is a thief", "Don't buy from 
Videobob"....etc.
So I asked him to remove them and he refused.
....long story short, this is how it all started.
All over nothing.

I don't think that I am over reacting.
I don't think this is appropriate behavior in public place, many people were 
taking
photos of the cars and this is slanderous, libelous and just childish.
If anyone looks like an "asshole" it is Monte.

This type of personal beef should be kept off the floor of the show.
I don't bring my problems to the show, and neither should anyone else.
- Videobob




>From: "timnagin" <timnagin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?
>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:35:23 -0400
>
>As I said before, we wouldn't even be talking about this if VB hadn't
>brought it up.  Look at the link I posted with the picture of the car and
>try to find that massive banner in discussion.
>
>My understanding, and Gary or anyone else please correct me if I am wrong
>here, is this is a very fine line to walk when recreating these parts since
>Universal owns the rights to the BTTF stuff.
>
>If someone started mass producing these parts and selling them publicly for
>profit they may step in and put a halt to this.  If that happens chances 
>are
>we will never see another one of these converted cars unless someone pays
>for the rights or is able to make an agreement with Universal.  That could
>also mean the currently converted cars could be confiscated.  Barris did
>that to at least one fan-created Batmobile.
>
>I would one day like to build one of these cars and if that was prevented 
>by
>a few people seeking to make a profit and pissing off Universal then I will
>be pissed.  Again, someone please correct me if I am wrong about the rights
>and usage here.
>
>How would you feel if after a lot of hard work and research to make
>something, someone else copied it and sold it?  They didn't have to do
>anything but take yours apart and reproduce it where you may have months if
>not years of work, time and money invested.  I don't think the actions of a
>few, or one, represent an entire community.
>
>Greg
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>Of Avi Sarfaraz
>Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:58 AM
>To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?
>
>You guys do realize this is all very childish.
>
>I dont speak up often, one of reasons being I dont own a DeLorean anymore.
>
>BTTF props are cute, emphasis CUTE. I havent met anyone "big name" but Ken,
>and Ken is a very cool, very nice man who I have had the pleasure to meet
>here in MN.
>
>Props business, must be very competitive, because you have a niche product
>which only 1 of 1000 will ever care to buy from you. If your going to sell
>to contemporaries then what you need to do, is copyright your products, and
>have a nice legal disclaimer by buying it they may not tamper with it, or
>reproudce it or sell it, you guys seem to work to much
>on a personal level and not on a professional business level, where if
>someone is going to copy your design, then you slap him with a lawsuit and
>take him out of busines, the good ol american way that I am so very fond
>of..no threats, just evidence, and a letter telling them to report to 
>court.
>
>I dont know the details of it but if you restrict the ability to allow for
>copyright infringement or replication of your products, and dont have the
>smarts to remove them in the first place......then you deserve what you 
>get.
>Im not saying I know it all, but im saying you guys can definately setup
>countermeasures for the type of bs you guys are talking about.
>
>If there are threats made, then well, its unacceptable, if you want to
>settle it, take it to your local boxing ring. If you want to settle it like
>businessmen - you are businessmen right? - you know...professional
>businessmen, who have morals and whatnot? Then settle it like
>gentlemen...Slander is bad for everyone, I dont think I'd buy from anyone 
>of
>you guys for that sort of behavior...
>
>You should all be ashamed for the childish behavior you guys have all
>brought to a head, you make the whole community look like a bunch of
>assholes
>




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