RE: [DMCForum] Re: Clutch woes

["timnagin" <timnagin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ryan,

Check out your De Lorean Workshop Manual, section E:03:02.  Look at the
Installation section, and read the note under number 2.

Greg



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From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Ryan Wright
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:31 PM
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Re: Clutch woes


Nope, this can't be it. I just went out and held the clutch disk up to
the flywheel. It only fits one way -- the way I had it. Putting it in
with the center/spring part toward the flywheel results in a solid
1/2"+ gap between the flywheel and the clutch disk, and the springs
and such hit the bolts that hold the flywheel on.

Darn.

-Ryan

On 6/12/05, Ryan Wright <ryanpwright@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Holy crap, then, I think that's the problem. Thankfully I paid
> attention when I took it apart this time, so I know which way I had it
> installed.
>
> There are two "things" that stick out from the clutch disk:
>
> 1. The splined shaft.
> 2. The funny center part with the springs in it.
>
> The side that has the springs in it, is also the side where the shaft
> sticks out the least. Here is a picture of that side:
>
> http://www.ryanwright.com/tmp/dclutch/1.jpg
>
> So what I'm hearing is, THIS side should go toward the flywheel?
> Because, I had it installed with this side toward the pressure plate.
> See, the funny center part with the springs in it just fits right down
> into the cavity on the pressure plate. So I assumed this is how it
> went. (In the picture above, if you let the clutch disk fall into the
> pressure plate that's sitting on the floor, that's how I had it).
>
> And this could cause my exact problem?
>
> So if I just reverse this and put it all back together, I should be
> good as gold? Or is it possible I damaged something and should buy
> some new parts?
>
> And it looks like I can forget that stupid clip on the clutch fork
> then, too. Sweet. I'll remove what's left of it and leave it at that.
>
> -Ryan
>
> On 6/12/05, Matt Spittle <mds328@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > You'll notice the splined hollow shaft in the clutch sticks out
> > further on one side than the other.  The side it sticks out least on
> > is the side that faces the flywheel.
> >
> >
> > Matt
> > #1604
> >
> >
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Ryan Wright <ryanpwright@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Well, I don't know, actually. How do I tell which is the front and
> > > back and how they should go in?
> > >
> > > -Ryan
> > >
> > > On 6/12/05, DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > When you originally installed the clutch did you put the clutch
plate
> > > > in correctly because there sometimes is a front and back to the
clutch
> > > > and they are different from each other either to an offset or the
way
> > > > the clutch is attached to the disc. If you did put it in backwards
> > this
> > > > would explain all of your problems if the delorean has a front and
> > back
> > > > to the clutch
> > > >
> > > > I dont know if this is true with all cars.
> > > >
> > > > Mark V
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jun 12, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Ryan Wright wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Quick background: I replaced my clutch last fall. Replaced most
> > > > > everything - seals, bearings, disk, master/slave cylinders,
> > line, etc.
> > > > > Flywheel was machined at Napa. The clip on the clutch fork was
> > broken,
> > > > > so we engineered a fix. Everything worked fine until roughly two
> > weeks
> > > > > ago, the clutch began engaging only at the very top of pedal
travel.
> > > > > Like it was already worn out. Things went from working great to
> > barely
> > > > > working immediately; there was no "slow degredation" - one day
> > > > > everything was perfect, the next it wasn't. I bled the clutch but
> > > > > nothing changed. I drove it two more weeks trying to delay the
> > > > > inevitable, but last Thursday the clutch began slipping so I
parked
> > > > > the car. It's a daily driver, so there are ~5,000 miles on the new
> > > > > clutch. Also, this is the Centerforce complete system kit from
> > Grady.
> > > > >
> > > > > The transmission is now out. I took some pictures because I don't
> > > > > fully understand what the problem is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Full flywheel pic:
> > http://www.ryanwright.com/tmp/dclutch/flywheel.jpg
> > > > > Close-up: http://www.ryanwright.com/tmp/dclutch/flywheel_close.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks like the area where the clutch disk goes is worn down quite
a
> > > > > bit. How is this possible? I do not abuse the clutch - at all.
> > Was it
> > > > > simply machined down too far? Or maybe it had been turned in the
> > past,
> > > > > before I owned the car, and was on its last legs already? The disk
> > > > > area is *slightly* higher than the outside ring, but not by
> > much. Do I
> > > > > need a new flywheel?
> > > > >
> > > > > There is another potential issue: The little clip on the back of
the
> > > > > clutch fork broke off. It was already damaged when I replaced the
> > > > > clutch last fall. We rigged up a fix (which held), but the "Y"
> > part of
> > > > > the clip at the end gave up and went who-knows-where. Could this
> > cause
> > > > > the clutch travel to change and the clutch disk to slip? Do I need
a
> > > > > new clutch fork? Can I just buy that little clip?
> > > > >
> > > > > Picture of fork: http://www.ryanwright.com/tmp/dclutch/fork.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > The pressure plate and clutch disk have some interesting patterns
on
> > > > > them. Not sure if that's normal:
> > > > >
> > > > > Pressure plate: http://www.ryanwright.com/tmp/dclutch/plate.jpg
> > > > > Closeup: http://www.ryanwright.com/tmp/dclutch/plateclose.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > Clutch disk: http://www.ryanwright.com/tmp/dclutch/disk.jpg
> > > > > Closeup: http://www.ryanwright.com/tmp/dclutch/diskclose.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > At this point I am unsure how to proceed, and could really use
your
> > > > > advice. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ryan
> > > > >
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