[DMCForum] Re: Marc, and DMCH.
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[DMCForum] Re: Marc, and DMCH.
- From: "Nun Yah" <joshp1986@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:14:30 -0000
Call me stupid!!! Marc, are you SonnyV? I was trying to catch up on
it but fell asleep reading all the messages. It's the ADD kicking
in ;-)I see a bug on the monitor and I chase it like white on rice.
Josh
--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxx> wrote:
> WOW! What a surprise. Stian and others flood the DML
> with a bunch of pro-DMCH messages.. One in particular
> attacking me... and all of a sudden they decide to
> kill the thread. Hmm, Nothing fishy going on here??
>
> Of course, my response specific questions asked of me
> by Stian were "silently rejected", like so many of my
> other posts of recent weeks... In the old days they
> were at least respectful enough to reject my message
> with a notification.
>
> But.. People like Stian are probably OK with this,
> because the DML does such a good job in.... well...
> whatever the hell they do.. Lucky for me the DML is
> not the only game in town.
>
> It makes me think, maybe we should create a
> DMCForum-OT list for our non-DeLorean discussions in
> an effort to make the DMCForum a more legitimate
> alternative to the DML.
> __________________________
>
> Your post below is similar to one by SonnyV not too
> long ago.
>
> See Below.
>
> --- Stian Birkeland <delorean@xxxx> wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
> >
> > Do you have a personal vendetta against DMC Houston
> > and James Espey?
>
> No, not at all.
>
> > Have they ever done you wrong?
>
> Nope. I purchased a few items from DMCH shortly after
> they took possession of the KPAC property. Never had
> a problem with those items.
>
> > It seems you don't like them very much. Would you
> > care to elaborate
> > to us why this is so?
>
> I do like them. On the few occasions I have met James
> and Stephen in person, I think they have been helpful,
> polite, and respectful. The facts brought up in this
> discussion are valid, that they have been a driving
> force in the reproduction of previously unavailable or
> expensive parts.
>
> The negative facts still remain, and should not be
> ignored.
>
> > You may get your parts elsewhere now, but in the
> > long run, DMC
> > Houston is the place and the future of our DeLorean
> > hobby (also
> > yours) whether you like it or not - or are you so
> > confident in
> > yourself that you're thinking you won't ever need
> > any parts and that
> > you can get them elsewhere?
>
> So, your saying it is OK for them to conduct
> themselves in a deceptive manor, simply because they
> have the largest inventory of parts? You are
> thinking that they will put the other DeLorean vendors
> out of business?
>
> > All the DeLorean Parts Suppliers either have a
> > left-over parts
> > inventory from former DMC Dealerships or they order
> > their parts
> > directly from - yes - DMC Houston!
>
> Yes, this is how they get away with what they do. The
> other vendors really can't complain about DMCH. But,
> that does not make it right.
>
> > Your intentions are not quite as noble as they might
> > seem at first,
> > or as noble and honest as you would like them to be.
>
> It is unfair of you, or anyone to make conclusions
> about my intentions. There is no motivation behind my
> posts other than to make otherwise unknown information
> available to the community. The feedback I have
> received has been positive. In the end, maybe DMCH
> will change the way they conduct business, and you too
> will benefit.
>
> > When I read
> > previous posts from you, and also a long time before
> > you went public
> > with the SonnyV profile, I catch myself thinking
> >
> > "Why is he out to get DMC Houston?"
>
> Again, I'm not. I have "picked on" other people.
> Just ask Video Bob... James was a big fan of my
> messages pointing out what was bothering me about Bob.
> Why am I correct in my observations on Bob, but not
> DMCH?
>
> You may see me as out to get DMCH because they provide
> the most "material" (for lack of a better word). The
> set off the alarm in my head more often than any of
> the others.
>
> > I also have this feeling that you get a kick out of
> > being a nit-
> > picker. You'll probably answer me that it's my
> > problem, but is it now?
>
> Kick? No. I refer to is as a sickness. When will
> they have a pill to cure it? Life would be a lot
> simpler for me if I did not care about things like
> this.
>
> > I don't like the DML to be a place where persons
> > more or
> > less "attack" a vendor. We (the owners) and they
> > co-exist. One cannot
> > live without the other.
>
> Attack? No. I have just pointed out facts and
> observations about things. Can you provide an example
> of me attacking a vendor?
>
> > By all means - I'm not saying that you shouldn't
> > have posted the truth
> > about the fake SonnyV profile, still - my basic
>
> So, it was OK to point out SonnyV, but not the META
> tags? What about the longer door struts which were
> breaking mounts? How about the invalid claims on the
> DMC logo? Or maybe it was the inaccurate information
> in the Concours manual? All Truth, so why is it so
> awful it I make it known?
>
> > feeling is that you
> > don't like DMC Houston at all.
>
> Again, Not true.. I continue to question many of the
> things they do, and have done.
>
> > How appropriate then to dig out some more dirt to
> > stain their
> > stainless... The question then is - Why do you do
> > it? or Why bother?
>
> DIG? No digging has ever been involved, I assure you..
> Why bother? Because it is important for people to
> know the truth. Like a consumer advocate would.
> Again, it is my sickness. Oh, and your welcome..
>
> > Of course, if I'm wrong about you, I hereby do
> > apologize publicly.
>
> Wrong or right, you posted this publicly and it will
> help for all readers to form opinions of me based on
> your personal interpretations. Maybe the next time I
> point out some fact about DMCH, you (and others) will
> say "Oh, it is from Marc.. that guy just has a bone to
> pick with DMCH". Even if you think I have been doing
> this for all these years because of a vendetta against
> DMCH (which is NOT the case), it does not change the
> true facts I have presented to this group. Again,
> your welcome.
>
> I have to ask why a message of personal nature like
> this was permitted on the list... but, it was. So I
> will respond on the list.
>
> > Now, DMC Houston have apologized for the SonnyV
> > profile.
>
> Apologized? I don't feel it was honest. They are not
> sorry they were deceptive, just sorry that James
> mis-signed a message which led to the deception being
> discovered (NOT by me, BTW).
>
> > Please accept that Mr. Levy and also the rest of
> > this list.
> > Perhaps you owe DMC Houston an apology for being
> > annoying?
>
> If you find me annoying, use your delete key.. Even
> better, many modern e-mail clients allow you to filter
> mail. Feel free to dump any messages from me if you
> so choose.
>
> As far as what DMCH thinks of me, if I had said
> anything false about them I am sure a letter from
> their lawyer would have been sent over night fed-ex to
> my door with a cease and desist.
>
> > Moderators - please stop this SonnyV thread once and
> > for all and
> > let's get back to DML's core value - our DeLoreans!
>
> Stop the thread? But who gets the last word??
>
> If you want a thread to end, don't respond to it.
>
> Yup.. Lets get back to talking about tires AGAIN, or
> oil AGAIN, or insurance AGAIN... No one cares about
> discussions about the quality of our vendors?
>
> > Sonny V or not - The truth is that DMC Houston is
> > our best guarantee
> > for DeLorean specific parts in the future, either
> > stock or re-made.
>
> And therefore we should allow them to be deceptive??
> I don't think so.
>
> <SNIP>
>
>
>
>
>
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