RE: [DMCForum] ATTN: Jack Stiefel -- AMC vs DMC (Warning: Automobile History Enclosed)

["Jack Stiefel" <jackstiefel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Uhhhh, sorry I even made that joke.  No I was not saying the Pacer was a
failure, just ugly as Hell and not a big collectible as far as I can see.
My family had a Pacer and from what I have seen most of the AMC line (most
likely good at the times, but looonnggg way past appealing IMHO) it was
interesting by 70's standards, but not now.

As far as the comparison between AMC and DMC, why?  I never compared them or
said one was better than the other.  All I said was peoples passion of the
AMC looks like it equals ours of the DMC.

As far as your other comments, I believe Studebaker is still in existence,
and by the looks of the following concept car, quite a nice machine.  Might
give a gremlin a run for its money. 


http://www.conceptcarz.com/folder/vehicle.asp?car_id=7841&autoShowID=&vehicl
eTypeID=0


Jack Stiefel
www.fmtimemachine.com
Direct listen link: www.live365.com/stations/radiocape
 

-----Original Message-----
From: content22207 [mailto:brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 6:25 PM
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [DMCForum] ATTN: Jack Stiefel -- AMC vs DMC (Warning: Automobile
History Enclosed)

A brief comparison between AMC and DMC may be instructive.

But first: the Pacer was not a failure. AMC sold more Pacers than all
Javelins and AMX's combined -- 354,228 versus 254,631. For 3 years
they couldn't build them fast enough (sales did falter by 1979). For
some reason the general public today thinks the Pacer didn't sell, or
somehow bankrupted the company. Nothing could be further from the
truth. The Gremlin wasn't a failure either (671,475 units built in 8
year production run, and that same platform lurks under 1,655,755
Hornets through Eagles).

I digress...

AMC is traditionally known as the "Last Independent". Of the many
small automobile manufacturers in existence at the end of World War
II, only AMC survived to see the the end of the 1960's. American
Motors was of course the merged entity of Nash and Hudson. Gone by the
wayside were Packard, DeSoto, Studebaker, Kaiser, etc. AMC produced
7,748,500 automobiles over 31 years, 1955-1986, in the oldest
continuously operating transportation manufacturing facility in the
United States (plant was making bicycles in the 1890's. Not many
people know "Rambler" was originally a bicycle marque). And this
doesn't include Jeeps built under AMC auspices (or buses and military
vehicles for that matter)!

Some comparisons between AMC and DMC passenger automobile divisions:
- AMC itself engineered 9 totally different vehicle platforms; DMC
farmed out engineering of its 1 vehicle platform
- AMC produced proprietary 6 and 8 cylinder engines in house; DMC
purchased engines off the shelf
- AMC built entire cars from coils of steel (galvanized in its later
years); DMC farmed out metal stamping
- AMC sewed its own interiors in a bewildering array of colors for any
given model, some quite gaudy; DMC farmed out its interiors in black
or grey "leather" only
- AMC never filed for bankruptcy; DMC went bankrupt
- AMC max'd production at nearly 2,000 cars per day (24 hour shifts);
DMC max'd production at 80 cars per day (8 hour shift).
- AMC raced and won in production class venues; DMC never subjected
its product to competition

You get the idea...

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Jack Stiefel" <jackstiefel@xxxx> wrote:
> The Lincolns don't confuse me as much as his passion for AMC --
almost as
> much as most of our DMC passions.  But I suppose you do see as many
restored
> AMC's out there as 70's Lincolns, maybe he is on to something new....
> Hmmmmm, maybe we all should go out and pick up a vintage Pacer and
get to
> work.
> 
> (the following message was made purely tongue and cheek, no offense
should
> be taken personally)
> 
> Jack Stiefel
> www.fmtimemachine.com
> Direct listen link: www.live365.com/stations/radiocape
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrei Cular [mailto:andreic@xxxx] 
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:08 AM
> To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Re: Farrar at SEDOC 2005
> 
> Farrar's truck is a cute little thing next to my new beast, which can 
> seat 6.
> 
> >2 person limit is baby truck. 3 fit very comfortably in a full size.
> >I am not good looking. Flavia is attracted to my *CARS* ("Oooh Bill,
> >your hood is so LONG"). Martin is well advised to buy one for himself,
> >and a stick to beat off the hordes of women that will throng him soon
> >thereafter.
> >
> 
> Sorry Bill I don't know too many women that find 60's-80's Lincolns
very 
> sexy.  Personally I prefer the 60's continental convertibles, or as
some 
> call them the steel bricks or JFK's car.   Now you take my Karmann
Ghias 
> or even the Beetle and you will get the hordes.  And with the Porsche 
> you get the flocks of 7-10 year old girls and then 60+ grannies, both 
> groups that I want nothing to do with.
> 
> 
> Andrei
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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